1 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:11,630 foreign 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:28,990 [Music] 3 00:00:33,889 --> 00:00:31,669 Air Forces has announced that applying 4 00:00:39,490 --> 00:00:33,899 disc has been found and is now in the 5 00:00:47,030 --> 00:00:43,250 I occasionally think how quickly hard 6 00:00:49,610 --> 00:00:47,040 differences worldwide would vanish if we 7 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:49,620 were facing an alien threat from outside 8 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:50,650 this work 9 00:00:52,630 --> 00:00:52,490 [Music] 10 00:00:54,970 --> 00:00:52,640 [Applause] 11 00:00:57,889 --> 00:00:54,980 [Music] 12 00:01:00,709 --> 00:00:57,899 this is Fade to Black with your host 13 00:01:01,410 --> 00:01:00,719 Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio 14 00:01:03,229 --> 00:01:01,420 Network 15 00:01:05,469 --> 00:01:03,239 [Music] 16 00:01:08,810 --> 00:01:05,479 thank you 17 00:01:10,750 --> 00:01:08,820 good evening Fade to Black I'm your 18 00:01:15,850 --> 00:01:10,760 Mississippi church today is Tuesday 19 00:01:18,710 --> 00:01:15,860 April 25th 2023 and tonight 20 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:18,720 John Ramirez is with us we're going to 21 00:01:23,149 --> 00:01:20,340 be talking about well a lot of things 22 00:01:27,590 --> 00:01:23,159 tonight but gonna be a little bit 23 00:01:31,190 --> 00:01:27,600 Washington Centric a little CIA Centric 24 00:01:34,429 --> 00:01:31,200 a little E.T and disclosure Centric a 25 00:01:38,870 --> 00:01:34,439 lot to cover tonight and this is the 26 00:01:40,670 --> 00:01:38,880 deal I've been uh aware of John for 27 00:01:42,770 --> 00:01:40,680 quite some time and I think that he's 28 00:01:45,530 --> 00:01:42,780 been very aware of Fade to Black and 29 00:01:47,929 --> 00:01:45,540 myself and and we've been waiting uh for 30 00:01:52,190 --> 00:01:47,939 tonight's conversation and finally it's 31 00:01:55,670 --> 00:01:52,200 going to go down John served from 1984 32 00:01:58,310 --> 00:01:55,680 to 2009 in the CIA directorate of 33 00:02:01,069 --> 00:01:58,320 Science and Technology the directorate 34 00:02:04,310 --> 00:02:01,079 of intelligence and the office of the 35 00:02:06,709 --> 00:02:04,320 Director of National Intelligence he 36 00:02:09,169 --> 00:02:06,719 served as the chief of sight and chief 37 00:02:11,990 --> 00:02:09,179 of operations for overseas technical 38 00:02:14,449 --> 00:02:12,000 collection facilities and was the chief 39 00:02:18,470 --> 00:02:14,459 of the electronic intelligence analysis 40 00:02:20,690 --> 00:02:18,480 Branch he was the Sig int is specialist 41 00:02:23,990 --> 00:02:20,700 and the collection requirements 42 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:24,000 strategist for what is now the odni 43 00:02:29,570 --> 00:02:26,239 national counter proliferation and 44 00:02:32,210 --> 00:02:29,580 biosecurity Center during his 25-year 45 00:02:34,430 --> 00:02:32,220 career he specialized in ballistic 46 00:02:37,250 --> 00:02:34,440 missile defense systems and the analysis 47 00:02:40,130 --> 00:02:37,260 of weapon system radar signatures under 48 00:02:41,170 --> 00:02:40,140 the parent offices where the Legacy UFO 49 00:02:44,089 --> 00:02:41,180 program 50 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:44,099 resided John is a member of The 51 00:02:47,690 --> 00:02:46,500 Association of Former Intelligence 52 00:02:50,030 --> 00:02:47,700 Officers 53 00:02:54,290 --> 00:02:50,040 that's got to be a pretty crazy group 54 00:02:55,790 --> 00:02:54,300 and the CIA retirees Association and I 55 00:03:00,110 --> 00:02:55,800 would like to welcome for the first time 56 00:03:03,470 --> 00:03:00,120 to fade to black John Ramirez John how 57 00:03:05,150 --> 00:03:03,480 you doing man I'm doing great it's uh 58 00:03:07,790 --> 00:03:05,160 great to finally have you on the show 59 00:03:09,410 --> 00:03:07,800 and like I said in the intro we've been 60 00:03:12,050 --> 00:03:09,420 aware of each other for quite a while 61 00:03:13,550 --> 00:03:12,060 and I don't know why we've waited so 62 00:03:15,350 --> 00:03:13,560 long but tonight 63 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:15,360 we finally get a chance to get it done 64 00:03:20,930 --> 00:03:18,000 uh are you ready for this I am ready and 65 00:03:24,130 --> 00:03:20,940 uh we did meet um person to person at 66 00:03:26,869 --> 00:03:24,140 starworks USA 2021 in Laughlin Nevada 67 00:03:29,869 --> 00:03:26,879 and I just want to say that my friend 68 00:03:32,330 --> 00:03:29,879 Mick who was a CIA retirees a big fan of 69 00:03:36,949 --> 00:03:32,340 your show he's a fate or not I am a fate 70 00:03:39,110 --> 00:03:36,959 or not I uh I'm at the Bacon Bar as I 71 00:03:40,369 --> 00:03:39,120 paid or not and I encourage others to 72 00:03:41,809 --> 00:03:40,379 join up 73 00:03:44,750 --> 00:03:41,819 um it's it's a great show that you have 74 00:03:47,210 --> 00:03:44,760 here uh you are very good with your 75 00:03:49,910 --> 00:03:47,220 guests and I appreciate that as well and 76 00:03:51,710 --> 00:03:49,920 I hope you have a great show and uh Mick 77 00:03:53,570 --> 00:03:51,720 thanks you for the shirt that you 78 00:03:56,449 --> 00:03:53,580 autographed for him you recall I 79 00:03:59,390 --> 00:03:56,459 purchased a shirt for him I do and I see 80 00:04:00,949 --> 00:03:59,400 him in the chat right now so he yeah I 81 00:04:03,830 --> 00:04:00,959 just want to give him a shout out to he 82 00:04:06,110 --> 00:04:03,840 and others who are listening uh from the 83 00:04:08,270 --> 00:04:06,120 CIA there's a lot of folks I think who 84 00:04:10,789 --> 00:04:08,280 are tuning in you know what's funny uh 85 00:04:12,830 --> 00:04:10,799 oh first off uh John you know we've got 86 00:04:13,910 --> 00:04:12,840 to get the First Time guest disclaimer 87 00:04:16,670 --> 00:04:13,920 out of the way 88 00:04:19,189 --> 00:04:16,680 so uh let's do that now John it's just 89 00:04:20,689 --> 00:04:19,199 you and I sitting on my couch having a 90 00:04:22,370 --> 00:04:20,699 conversation as friends and when that 91 00:04:24,409 --> 00:04:22,380 conversation starts it starts where it 92 00:04:28,570 --> 00:04:24,419 ends and ends but we're gonna end as 93 00:04:32,870 --> 00:04:28,580 friends there you ready and click 94 00:04:35,810 --> 00:04:32,880 yeah now I actually want to start here 95 00:04:37,909 --> 00:04:35,820 um uh we're gonna go backwards but I I 96 00:04:39,350 --> 00:04:37,919 kind of want to start in the now now 97 00:04:42,110 --> 00:04:39,360 okay 98 00:04:45,770 --> 00:04:42,120 um you know as you as you and everybody 99 00:04:49,430 --> 00:04:45,780 knows I host and attend uh all the major 100 00:04:50,930 --> 00:04:49,440 conferences and one of the comments uh 101 00:04:52,670 --> 00:04:50,940 and I like to play a little game at 102 00:04:55,550 --> 00:04:52,680 these conferences you know spot the FED 103 00:04:58,730 --> 00:04:55,560 right and when I go 104 00:05:01,070 --> 00:04:58,740 and and say these things uh okay I'll 105 00:05:03,830 --> 00:05:01,080 give you an example at the last 106 00:05:06,770 --> 00:05:03,840 conscious life Expo I did a launch in 107 00:05:09,050 --> 00:05:06,780 and I had about 100 people there for the 108 00:05:10,490 --> 00:05:09,060 luncheon and I stood up and greeted you 109 00:05:13,070 --> 00:05:10,500 know having a good time making everybody 110 00:05:17,090 --> 00:05:13,080 laugh and I said right now 111 00:05:18,770 --> 00:05:17,100 there is a Fed in this room let's play 112 00:05:20,510 --> 00:05:18,780 Spot and I was watching everybody just 113 00:05:23,450 --> 00:05:20,520 like look at each other who do you think 114 00:05:25,550 --> 00:05:23,460 right and uh now it's a game and it's 115 00:05:29,590 --> 00:05:25,560 fun sometimes it gets a little intense 116 00:05:33,890 --> 00:05:29,600 because people wonder could there be but 117 00:05:38,210 --> 00:05:33,900 I met you at a conference right that 118 00:05:40,010 --> 00:05:38,220 says to me that you guys and gals you 119 00:05:42,350 --> 00:05:40,020 guys attend these conferences don't you 120 00:05:44,090 --> 00:05:42,360 we sure do and I've attended several in 121 00:05:47,689 --> 00:05:44,100 the past uh when I was still working for 122 00:05:49,370 --> 00:05:47,699 CIA I didn't go on behalf of CIA I had 123 00:05:52,490 --> 00:05:49,380 to pay my own way 124 00:05:55,610 --> 00:05:52,500 I bought my flights I reserved my hotel 125 00:05:58,909 --> 00:05:55,620 rooms I paid the conference fees and I 126 00:06:00,950 --> 00:05:58,919 did all that on my own dime and uh the 127 00:06:03,590 --> 00:06:00,960 only thing I had to do is I did have to 128 00:06:05,930 --> 00:06:03,600 report my attendance at any conference 129 00:06:07,969 --> 00:06:05,940 it doesn't have to be a UFO conference 130 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:07,979 it's just anywhere that you would go 131 00:06:12,529 --> 00:06:10,380 outside of the Washington DC area where 132 00:06:14,450 --> 00:06:12,539 you have to travel the office of 133 00:06:16,490 --> 00:06:14,460 security external activities Branch 134 00:06:18,830 --> 00:06:16,500 would like to know where you go and so I 135 00:06:21,409 --> 00:06:18,840 submitted that you know I was going to a 136 00:06:23,330 --> 00:06:21,419 certain conference and I'll be there 137 00:06:25,790 --> 00:06:23,340 from this state to this day here are my 138 00:06:27,890 --> 00:06:25,800 flights I'm staying at this hotel and I 139 00:06:30,790 --> 00:06:27,900 sent it and they come back say well you 140 00:06:34,090 --> 00:06:30,800 know be safe see you later 141 00:06:36,469 --> 00:06:34,100 was there ever a follow-up no never 142 00:06:38,809 --> 00:06:36,479 nobody ever came in and said hey yeah 143 00:06:42,050 --> 00:06:38,819 you got it do you get any dirt at the 144 00:06:44,390 --> 00:06:42,060 conference nah nah nothing like that 145 00:06:46,189 --> 00:06:44,400 um we're not allowed to dig dirt in the 146 00:06:48,770 --> 00:06:46,199 United States unless the dirt volunteers 147 00:06:51,110 --> 00:06:48,780 to come to us right um so we do have 148 00:06:53,029 --> 00:06:51,120 something call the National Resources 149 00:06:54,890 --> 00:06:53,039 Division at least there was called that 150 00:06:57,650 --> 00:06:54,900 in my time it was in the directorate of 151 00:07:00,230 --> 00:06:57,660 operations and the National Resources 152 00:07:02,210 --> 00:07:00,240 Division was the place where like say 153 00:07:03,830 --> 00:07:02,220 you have a immigrate from another 154 00:07:07,249 --> 00:07:03,840 country once the volunteer information 155 00:07:09,110 --> 00:07:07,259 they'll contact CIA and we'll arrange to 156 00:07:11,150 --> 00:07:09,120 speak with that person and I can tell 157 00:07:13,490 --> 00:07:11,160 you that uh you know I was in an 158 00:07:15,890 --> 00:07:13,500 interview with a Russian immigrate who 159 00:07:18,890 --> 00:07:15,900 had some knowledge of what we call the 160 00:07:21,409 --> 00:07:18,900 sa-10 surface air missile system uh the 161 00:07:23,629 --> 00:07:21,419 Russians call it the s-300 it's in 162 00:07:26,029 --> 00:07:23,639 operation right now in Ukraine and in 163 00:07:28,249 --> 00:07:26,039 Russia in the current conflict and so 164 00:07:30,529 --> 00:07:28,259 here I am you know with the National 165 00:07:32,990 --> 00:07:30,539 Resources Division guys you know doing 166 00:07:35,210 --> 00:07:33,000 the questioning the gentleman spoke 167 00:07:36,830 --> 00:07:35,220 English and so we're following along and 168 00:07:39,230 --> 00:07:36,840 because it's a surface air missile 169 00:07:41,689 --> 00:07:39,240 system that's what's that was within my 170 00:07:44,570 --> 00:07:41,699 uh analysis account area so I was there 171 00:07:46,969 --> 00:07:44,580 in attendance as well and as sitting on 172 00:07:49,730 --> 00:07:46,979 the side at a safe house in Northern 173 00:07:51,050 --> 00:07:49,740 Virginia say that much and he was just 174 00:07:53,089 --> 00:07:51,060 talking about you know the modes of 175 00:07:55,189 --> 00:07:53,099 operation of this wonderful Russian 176 00:07:56,510 --> 00:07:55,199 surface air missile system and then all 177 00:07:59,110 --> 00:07:56,520 of a sudden he said and you know there 178 00:08:04,070 --> 00:07:59,120 was this UFO mode 179 00:08:06,589 --> 00:08:04,080 what UFO mode right so the 180 00:08:09,170 --> 00:08:06,599 um in our officer stopped and I said did 181 00:08:13,670 --> 00:08:09,180 you say UFO 182 00:08:18,350 --> 00:08:13,680 they said yes yes UFO uh UFO UFO 183 00:08:21,050 --> 00:08:18,360 and um okay that's interesting so I knew 184 00:08:24,050 --> 00:08:21,060 that the system had a mode of operation 185 00:08:26,390 --> 00:08:24,060 that we could not quite understand why 186 00:08:29,809 --> 00:08:26,400 it was there because it was designed to 187 00:08:32,089 --> 00:08:29,819 track something going much faster than 188 00:08:34,850 --> 00:08:32,099 anything we had in the inventory 189 00:08:36,409 --> 00:08:34,860 including the SR-71 right so it was 190 00:08:40,969 --> 00:08:36,419 designed to track something like 191 00:08:43,550 --> 00:08:40,979 enormously fast and we intercepted the 192 00:08:45,170 --> 00:08:43,560 radar Signal doing this mode of 193 00:08:47,690 --> 00:08:45,180 operation which we thought it was the 194 00:08:50,509 --> 00:08:47,700 test mode or maybe the radar is broke 195 00:08:51,769 --> 00:08:50,519 the radar in question is called the flap 196 00:08:53,590 --> 00:08:51,779 lid 197 00:08:55,850 --> 00:08:53,600 and so you can look it up on on 198 00:08:58,730 --> 00:08:55,860 Wikipedia flap lid it's the radar 199 00:09:00,889 --> 00:08:58,740 associated with the s300 system and it 200 00:09:05,509 --> 00:09:00,899 did have this mode of operation 201 00:09:07,430 --> 00:09:05,519 so UFO is UFO in Russian right I mean 202 00:09:09,230 --> 00:09:07,440 it's yeah I mean it's I mean he spoke 203 00:09:12,590 --> 00:09:09,240 English but you understand what I'm 204 00:09:15,710 --> 00:09:12,600 saying right there totally get it yeah 205 00:09:19,130 --> 00:09:15,720 um in most countries it's uh OV and I 206 00:09:21,829 --> 00:09:19,140 uh avni you know they say offney 207 00:09:23,389 --> 00:09:21,839 um but UFO mode okay so I got more to 208 00:09:24,590 --> 00:09:23,399 the story Jimmy because you know I'm 209 00:09:27,829 --> 00:09:24,600 gonna say the black and I don't hold 210 00:09:29,030 --> 00:09:27,839 anything back no no no no let's go 211 00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:29,040 um so 212 00:09:34,310 --> 00:09:31,920 um as part of my analysis work on the 213 00:09:36,050 --> 00:09:34,320 surface air missile systems and 214 00:09:37,970 --> 00:09:36,060 particularly those missile systems that 215 00:09:40,190 --> 00:09:37,980 had a capability to shoot down ballistic 216 00:09:42,650 --> 00:09:40,200 missiles are missiles 217 00:09:45,350 --> 00:09:42,660 um I would be interested in knowing 218 00:09:48,050 --> 00:09:45,360 about the full capabilities of it so you 219 00:09:49,850 --> 00:09:48,060 know we acquired one of these s-300 220 00:09:51,530 --> 00:09:49,860 systems 221 00:09:53,509 --> 00:09:51,540 um and we brought it over to an 222 00:09:56,449 --> 00:09:53,519 interesting place in Nevada and that's 223 00:09:58,790 --> 00:09:56,459 where all interesting places go and so 224 00:10:02,750 --> 00:09:58,800 it's in Nevada and I can say that it was 225 00:10:05,030 --> 00:10:02,760 about 50 miles west of area 51. and 226 00:10:07,389 --> 00:10:05,040 another part of the test range which was 227 00:10:11,150 --> 00:10:07,399 designed to set up 228 00:10:12,650 --> 00:10:11,160 testing for Pilots against like jamming 229 00:10:14,329 --> 00:10:12,660 signals so you know there'll be jamming 230 00:10:15,889 --> 00:10:14,339 signals and Radars on the ground that 231 00:10:17,870 --> 00:10:15,899 they have to fly against and turn on 232 00:10:20,630 --> 00:10:17,880 their countermeasures to see how well 233 00:10:22,790 --> 00:10:20,640 they perform so in this instance here's 234 00:10:25,730 --> 00:10:22,800 this s 300 radar 235 00:10:28,070 --> 00:10:25,740 and all of the radar tremends to go with 236 00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:28,080 it the other auxiliary Radars 237 00:10:31,970 --> 00:10:30,000 um and sure enough you know they were 238 00:10:33,790 --> 00:10:31,980 testing from uh I guess they flew from 239 00:10:36,889 --> 00:10:33,800 Tonopah 240 00:10:40,490 --> 00:10:36,899 maybe from Fallon which is also in 241 00:10:41,870 --> 00:10:40,500 Nevada that's a naval air station so 242 00:10:45,110 --> 00:10:41,880 there were testing all kinds of aircraft 243 00:10:47,930 --> 00:10:45,120 against the s-300 so on another Hill you 244 00:10:49,490 --> 00:10:47,940 know you got uh you got the NSA folks 245 00:10:51,530 --> 00:10:49,500 collecting the signal 246 00:10:52,970 --> 00:10:51,540 because here you got main beam you know 247 00:10:55,550 --> 00:10:52,980 this is the real deal you're not getting 248 00:10:57,350 --> 00:10:55,560 it from satellite flying like 249 00:10:58,850 --> 00:10:57,360 you know thousands or like hundreds of 250 00:11:00,650 --> 00:10:58,860 miles away it's like right in front of 251 00:11:02,210 --> 00:11:00,660 you so the NSA guys are in there 252 00:11:04,310 --> 00:11:02,220 spinning their tapes and collecting the 253 00:11:06,889 --> 00:11:04,320 signal you got the Air Force guy on 254 00:11:08,810 --> 00:11:06,899 another Hill uh with jamming pods and 255 00:11:10,850 --> 00:11:08,820 he's like adjusting the Jammer and 256 00:11:13,250 --> 00:11:10,860 seeing how the Jammer works against this 257 00:11:15,110 --> 00:11:13,260 signal and so fine you know that was the 258 00:11:17,090 --> 00:11:15,120 exercise and I was there as well inside 259 00:11:18,949 --> 00:11:17,100 the where the flat lid radar was there's 260 00:11:20,870 --> 00:11:18,959 the flat radar above me 261 00:11:22,670 --> 00:11:20,880 and I also went outside and there's 262 00:11:25,850 --> 00:11:22,680 another radar called the clam shell 263 00:11:29,329 --> 00:11:25,860 which is a a radar that can track fast 264 00:11:32,690 --> 00:11:29,339 objects Velocity Radar and so that's 265 00:11:35,750 --> 00:11:32,700 fine and so one day one evening they 266 00:11:38,269 --> 00:11:35,760 told my my partner I her name is Cheryl 267 00:11:40,370 --> 00:11:38,279 I can use first names we're both in the 268 00:11:42,530 --> 00:11:40,380 same office and they told us that we 269 00:11:44,509 --> 00:11:42,540 need to get off that mountain early 270 00:11:47,210 --> 00:11:44,519 because it's going to be a special test 271 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:47,220 and we were not cleared for it 272 00:11:51,350 --> 00:11:49,260 we're not cleared for this test 273 00:11:53,930 --> 00:11:51,360 and I go huh that's interesting because 274 00:11:55,850 --> 00:11:53,940 you know I had tickets for you know all 275 00:11:58,310 --> 00:11:55,860 of the aircraft including all of our 276 00:12:01,130 --> 00:11:58,320 stealth aircraft that would fly against 277 00:12:04,069 --> 00:12:01,140 it but there was something special that 278 00:12:07,069 --> 00:12:04,079 Cheryl and I could not be a witness to 279 00:12:10,190 --> 00:12:07,079 so we left the mountain early the next 280 00:12:13,610 --> 00:12:10,200 morning we came up and you know some of 281 00:12:15,410 --> 00:12:13,620 the engineers there from you know the 282 00:12:17,269 --> 00:12:15,420 Beltway Bandits you know I think they 283 00:12:19,730 --> 00:12:17,279 were Raytheon because Raytheon builds 284 00:12:21,829 --> 00:12:19,740 our Radars and they were really excited 285 00:12:23,509 --> 00:12:21,839 about something that occurred in the 286 00:12:25,910 --> 00:12:23,519 test the previous night 287 00:12:27,290 --> 00:12:25,920 and uh they thought that we were cleared 288 00:12:29,329 --> 00:12:27,300 and they kind of spilled a little bit 289 00:12:31,610 --> 00:12:29,339 about wow did you see like what it did 290 00:12:33,110 --> 00:12:31,620 to you know this radar how it performed 291 00:12:35,030 --> 00:12:33,120 against you know 292 00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:35,040 um this that special aircraft and and 293 00:12:39,170 --> 00:12:37,200 all of a sudden the other guy says 294 00:12:41,090 --> 00:12:39,180 because he realized that we may not be 295 00:12:42,949 --> 00:12:41,100 cleared and we were not cleared so I 296 00:12:45,829 --> 00:12:42,959 knew that that previous evening they 297 00:12:48,650 --> 00:12:45,839 tested something very special uh 298 00:12:50,990 --> 00:12:48,660 probably that the Air Force flew that we 299 00:12:54,590 --> 00:12:51,000 CI officers with all the tickets were 300 00:12:57,050 --> 00:12:54,600 necessary to be on that hip mountain and 301 00:12:59,269 --> 00:12:57,060 interface with a real Russian system 302 00:13:01,850 --> 00:12:59,279 um we had all the tickets necessary but 303 00:13:05,150 --> 00:13:01,860 except for this one special aircraft 304 00:13:07,310 --> 00:13:05,160 that was tested at night and so I always 305 00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:07,320 wondered if that was one of our special 306 00:13:12,590 --> 00:13:09,600 aircraft that could be a triangle or 307 00:13:15,050 --> 00:13:12,600 something else that is not acknowledging 308 00:13:17,269 --> 00:13:15,060 our inventory yeah and then couple that 309 00:13:20,509 --> 00:13:17,279 with the UFO mode yeah that's 310 00:13:23,569 --> 00:13:20,519 interesting yeah do do you um this is 311 00:13:28,610 --> 00:13:23,579 just a quick side question do you 312 00:13:31,490 --> 00:13:28,620 believe that we do have arvs uh uh you 313 00:13:35,750 --> 00:13:31,500 know reproduction vehicles uh based on 314 00:13:38,990 --> 00:13:35,760 designs from up there that are now our 315 00:13:41,030 --> 00:13:39,000 own and and we do fly those well let's 316 00:13:42,650 --> 00:13:41,040 let's look at the word reproduction 317 00:13:44,750 --> 00:13:42,660 um we know the meta materials cannot be 318 00:13:47,210 --> 00:13:44,760 reproduced on this planet 319 00:13:49,250 --> 00:13:47,220 we cannot reproduce The Meta materials 320 00:13:50,930 --> 00:13:49,260 and it's very essential to reproduce the 321 00:13:52,250 --> 00:13:50,940 metal materials in order to make them 322 00:13:55,009 --> 00:13:52,260 fly 323 00:13:57,590 --> 00:13:55,019 like we see that is displaying those 324 00:13:59,150 --> 00:13:57,600 five observables that louisano loves to 325 00:14:00,650 --> 00:13:59,160 talk about right so you need the 326 00:14:02,389 --> 00:14:00,660 metamaterials you need to manufacture 327 00:14:04,550 --> 00:14:02,399 the metal materials and we don't know 328 00:14:06,590 --> 00:14:04,560 how to do that so I would say the answer 329 00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:06,600 to that is do we have alien reproduction 330 00:14:12,790 --> 00:14:09,360 vehicles I hate that term no we do not 331 00:14:15,710 --> 00:14:12,800 but do we have advanced technology 332 00:14:17,690 --> 00:14:15,720 displaying phenomenal aerial space 333 00:14:19,790 --> 00:14:17,700 characteristics phenomenal flight 334 00:14:22,329 --> 00:14:19,800 characteristics that may have been 335 00:14:25,430 --> 00:14:22,339 sourced or inspired by that technology 336 00:14:27,650 --> 00:14:25,440 and based on what I learned 337 00:14:30,410 --> 00:14:27,660 uh the I would say the answer is a 338 00:14:34,009 --> 00:14:30,420 strong yes that we do have something 339 00:14:35,930 --> 00:14:34,019 that displays extraordinary performance 340 00:14:38,509 --> 00:14:35,940 characteristics above and beyond 341 00:14:42,290 --> 00:14:38,519 whatever else is in the open inventory 342 00:14:44,509 --> 00:14:42,300 that is used for and it's important term 343 00:14:46,910 --> 00:14:44,519 intelligence surveillance and 344 00:14:50,269 --> 00:14:46,920 reconnaissance or ISR 345 00:14:53,210 --> 00:14:50,279 that is a great thing to uh get on 346 00:14:55,449 --> 00:14:53,220 Google to research ISR because all of 347 00:14:58,550 --> 00:14:55,459 the extraordinary Technologies being 348 00:15:01,610 --> 00:14:58,560 introduced there are ISR technologies 349 00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:01,620 that is their spy planes basically we 350 00:15:06,530 --> 00:15:04,320 don't fly the SR-71 anymore because the 351 00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:06,540 Russians know how to shoot it down from 352 00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:09,120 the air they have a better aircraft than 353 00:15:15,290 --> 00:15:12,000 the SR-71 and that's called the mig-31 354 00:15:20,090 --> 00:15:15,300 and we knew that mig-31 uh went up to 355 00:15:22,189 --> 00:15:20,100 123 000 feet it touched 120 23 000 feet 356 00:15:24,110 --> 00:15:22,199 and eventually had to come down but 357 00:15:27,290 --> 00:15:24,120 there's a combat radius you know you 358 00:15:29,629 --> 00:15:27,300 have their normal service ceiling but in 359 00:15:32,030 --> 00:15:29,639 combat mode they really push the 360 00:15:34,910 --> 00:15:32,040 envelope and this thing can go 85 to 100 361 00:15:38,689 --> 00:15:34,920 000 feet in combat mode and it had a 362 00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:38,699 missile the aa9 that could look down and 363 00:15:45,590 --> 00:15:42,959 shoot down at the SR-71 going much 364 00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:45,600 faster than the SR-71 it could not 365 00:15:50,689 --> 00:15:48,240 outrun this missile and it could not go 366 00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:50,699 higher than where the mig-31 could fly 367 00:15:56,569 --> 00:15:54,000 so they completely grounded the SR-71 368 00:15:58,850 --> 00:15:56,579 Force completely grounded but there's 369 00:16:00,650 --> 00:15:58,860 something else there that can fly and it 370 00:16:03,530 --> 00:16:00,660 gets to gets to any point on Earth 371 00:16:05,090 --> 00:16:03,540 really quick and can do something that's 372 00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:05,100 golden it's called persistent 373 00:16:10,430 --> 00:16:07,680 surveillance you know you just stand 374 00:16:12,769 --> 00:16:10,440 over an area of interest and not be seen 375 00:16:14,930 --> 00:16:12,779 do we have that I think the answer is a 376 00:16:18,889 --> 00:16:14,940 strong yes 377 00:16:24,110 --> 00:16:18,899 I I want to I really want to find out 378 00:16:26,930 --> 00:16:24,120 how you got into the CIA that without 379 00:16:29,750 --> 00:16:26,940 spending a whole lot of time on that 380 00:16:31,910 --> 00:16:29,760 subject but before we get there 381 00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:31,920 because that's that's it that's a Jimmy 382 00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:33,839 personal thing I really want to know the 383 00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:37,199 how what what's involved with that but 384 00:16:43,310 --> 00:16:41,519 before we get there when we look at from 385 00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:43,320 what you just said when we look at 386 00:16:50,030 --> 00:16:46,800 things like the Tic Tac and what David 387 00:16:51,769 --> 00:16:50,040 fraver and others uh from that entire 388 00:16:54,050 --> 00:16:51,779 Carrier Group 389 00:16:58,430 --> 00:16:54,060 um had to have testified to not only on 390 00:17:01,749 --> 00:16:58,440 this show but uh in other media Outlets 391 00:17:04,970 --> 00:17:01,759 um is do you see that as 392 00:17:08,449 --> 00:17:04,980 Russian or an adversarial or Chinese 393 00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:08,459 technology are they that advanced which 394 00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:12,000 is I think a lot more scarier than E.T 395 00:17:17,390 --> 00:17:14,880 do you think it's our own and Raytheon 396 00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:17,400 and Lockheed or do you think it's 397 00:17:22,970 --> 00:17:19,740 from up there 398 00:17:23,630 --> 00:17:22,980 um when you say up there I I would say 399 00:17:27,289 --> 00:17:23,640 um 400 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:29,150 I would say that you have to be very 401 00:17:32,810 --> 00:17:30,660 careful what government people say 402 00:17:34,909 --> 00:17:32,820 because they will literally take your 403 00:17:37,610 --> 00:17:34,919 question and answer give you a literal 404 00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:37,620 answer they mince those words they parse 405 00:17:41,390 --> 00:17:39,600 your words carefully and I'll give you 406 00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:41,400 an example to answer your question I'll 407 00:17:44,690 --> 00:17:43,200 give you an example because Dr 408 00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:44,700 Kirkpatrick 409 00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:47,280 made a statement opening statement in 410 00:17:53,150 --> 00:17:49,679 front of this Senate armed services 411 00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:53,160 committee emerging Technologies and 412 00:17:58,010 --> 00:17:54,960 capabilities or emerging threats and 413 00:18:00,409 --> 00:17:58,020 capabilities and he said that we have no 414 00:18:02,150 --> 00:18:00,419 evidence that what we're seeing is 415 00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:02,160 extraterrestrial 416 00:18:07,310 --> 00:18:04,559 you know what he actually was saying we 417 00:18:09,650 --> 00:18:07,320 have no evidence in the videos that we 418 00:18:12,350 --> 00:18:09,660 collected and the eyewitness testimony 419 00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:12,360 that we gathered that what we're seeing 420 00:18:18,409 --> 00:18:16,380 came from 10 to 100 100 light years away 421 00:18:21,169 --> 00:18:18,419 we have no evidence in that but you know 422 00:18:24,350 --> 00:18:21,179 what they didn't follow up and said okay 423 00:18:26,029 --> 00:18:24,360 so could they be coming from the Earth 424 00:18:28,669 --> 00:18:26,039 they're coming from in and out of the 425 00:18:30,650 --> 00:18:28,679 ocean they're coming in and out of like 426 00:18:33,169 --> 00:18:30,660 mountains if we've seen uh I know if 427 00:18:36,529 --> 00:18:33,179 you've seen a Hami massage videos 428 00:18:38,570 --> 00:18:36,539 of what he has collected about these 429 00:18:40,669 --> 00:18:38,580 crafts going in and out of mountains and 430 00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:40,679 in and out of the ground in and out of 431 00:18:45,169 --> 00:18:42,900 the ocean are they Ultra terrestrial 432 00:18:48,350 --> 00:18:45,179 that is where they're within the Earth 433 00:18:53,330 --> 00:18:48,360 in some way or or shape or fashion now 434 00:18:53,340 --> 00:19:01,510 yeah yeah because she knows 435 00:19:05,810 --> 00:19:04,669 yeah I think so and uh so he said 436 00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:05,820 there's no evidence of it being 437 00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:08,400 extraterrestrial but you know it's a CIS 438 00:19:11,930 --> 00:19:10,080 lunar that is CIS lunar meaning between 439 00:19:14,750 --> 00:19:11,940 you know from the ground up to the moon 440 00:19:17,330 --> 00:19:14,760 this is something that you detect flying 441 00:19:19,010 --> 00:19:17,340 from here to the Moon maybe landing on 442 00:19:21,409 --> 00:19:19,020 the moon or nearby planets within our 443 00:19:24,289 --> 00:19:21,419 solar system is it that you know instead 444 00:19:26,690 --> 00:19:24,299 of 10 to 100 light years away 445 00:19:28,970 --> 00:19:26,700 um no one ever follows up on that so he 446 00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:28,980 literally was telling the truth that 447 00:19:34,130 --> 00:19:31,679 just by looking at videos that they've 448 00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:34,140 collected some of them he showed and 449 00:19:39,529 --> 00:19:36,720 just by uh I witnessed testimony for 450 00:19:42,409 --> 00:19:39,539 example the naval aviators who flew in 451 00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,419 their FAA teams at Tic Tac 452 00:19:48,289 --> 00:19:44,640 um from that evidence can you say that 453 00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:48,299 by golly they're from outer space and no 454 00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:51,000 he's saying no there's no evidence that 455 00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,480 he holds uh that is any evidence of that 456 00:19:59,090 --> 00:19:56,400 that there were extraterrestrial 457 00:20:01,250 --> 00:19:59,100 so that's a big opening there so I would 458 00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:01,260 say you know that 459 00:20:06,590 --> 00:20:01,919 um 460 00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:06,600 yes I think that we do have craft that 461 00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:07,440 are 462 00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:09,120 non-human made 463 00:20:15,470 --> 00:20:12,900 and I believe that that needs to be the 464 00:20:17,690 --> 00:20:15,480 first thing the government admits 465 00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:17,700 because forget about the Grays and about 466 00:20:22,909 --> 00:20:20,640 experiences and about you know going on 467 00:20:26,150 --> 00:20:22,919 the craft and getting medically examined 468 00:20:27,650 --> 00:20:26,160 let's first like admit that they're 469 00:20:30,110 --> 00:20:27,660 non-human 470 00:20:33,289 --> 00:20:30,120 and the next question if the government 471 00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:33,299 admits that they're non-human okay if 472 00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:36,720 they're not human who's driving them 473 00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:39,600 then that introduces the non-human 474 00:20:44,570 --> 00:20:41,760 intelligences that might be driving 475 00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:44,580 these craft and where they may actually 476 00:20:48,830 --> 00:20:46,380 be located 477 00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:48,840 that it could be on earth they could be 478 00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:50,580 in the earth it could be under the sea 479 00:20:55,850 --> 00:20:53,580 let's have that discussion next 480 00:20:58,909 --> 00:20:55,860 following on with why are they here and 481 00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:58,919 what do they want with us exactly okay 482 00:21:03,529 --> 00:21:01,440 so you're taking Russia and China off of 483 00:21:06,590 --> 00:21:03,539 the list yeah 484 00:21:09,409 --> 00:21:06,600 yeah absolutely are you taking us off of 485 00:21:13,610 --> 00:21:09,419 the list no not entirely because I know 486 00:21:16,669 --> 00:21:13,620 that like I said I believe we have 487 00:21:19,789 --> 00:21:16,679 derived the technology from The Source 488 00:21:21,950 --> 00:21:19,799 The Source meaning the actual craft or 489 00:21:24,830 --> 00:21:21,960 bits of craft or maybe some inkling of 490 00:21:26,930 --> 00:21:24,840 how the propulsion system works that we 491 00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:26,940 derive that technology and adapted it 492 00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:28,200 for human use 493 00:21:33,950 --> 00:21:31,200 that is adapted for military human uses 494 00:21:36,350 --> 00:21:33,960 for the United States I believe that's a 495 00:21:39,649 --> 00:21:36,360 true statement and I believe that is why 496 00:21:42,169 --> 00:21:39,659 the Air Force has been very reluctant to 497 00:21:44,029 --> 00:21:42,179 come on board with the rest of us who 498 00:21:46,250 --> 00:21:44,039 are trying to push for this disclosure 499 00:21:48,529 --> 00:21:46,260 because they have the most to lose 500 00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:48,539 they're the stakeholders that can lose 501 00:21:55,130 --> 00:21:51,000 everything any discussion of UFOs and 502 00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,140 uaps might lead the Shine the Light back 503 00:21:59,450 --> 00:21:57,120 on what the Air Force has what I 504 00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:59,460 describe to you a phenomenal ISR 505 00:22:02,270 --> 00:22:00,480 platform 506 00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,280 and they don't want that to be revealed 507 00:22:07,789 --> 00:22:05,039 so that is why that is the motivation 508 00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:07,799 why in the legislation 509 00:22:13,490 --> 00:22:10,159 um they stipulate it 510 00:22:16,570 --> 00:22:13,500 non-human you know the ndas are lifted 511 00:22:19,970 --> 00:22:16,580 off of the non-human Technologies 512 00:22:22,610 --> 00:22:19,980 associated with uaps they needed to Fine 513 00:22:24,890 --> 00:22:22,620 Line dice that for the Air Force to make 514 00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,900 them feel comfortable 515 00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:27,360 um and yeah that makes a lot of sense 516 00:22:32,330 --> 00:22:30,780 yeah being an American Patriot uh you 517 00:22:35,470 --> 00:22:32,340 know I mean sure I mean you know I don't 518 00:22:37,730 --> 00:22:35,480 want to give that away to Putin 519 00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:37,740 you've heard me say so many times you 520 00:22:42,350 --> 00:22:40,200 know I live here in Palmdale yeah and I 521 00:22:44,930 --> 00:22:42,360 see the crazy stuff I'm not going to go 522 00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,940 on the air every night and go you know 523 00:22:49,789 --> 00:22:46,559 can I believe when I saw last you know 524 00:22:51,770 --> 00:22:49,799 now I'm not going to be that guy and I'm 525 00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,780 not going to be the Pariah of Palmdale 526 00:22:59,149 --> 00:22:53,520 right 527 00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,159 there does need to be a Line in the Sand 528 00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:01,919 uh to a certain point and I and I I do 529 00:23:06,770 --> 00:23:04,799 respect that I I really do 530 00:23:08,570 --> 00:23:06,780 um uh and here's the other thing and so 531 00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:08,580 let's get so let's get one thing out of 532 00:23:13,789 --> 00:23:11,340 the way right now for everybody 533 00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:13,799 um both of us have been labeled disinfo 534 00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,280 agents yeah and and I have uh I I carry 535 00:23:23,330 --> 00:23:19,679 that Banner I'm proud of that you know I 536 00:23:27,049 --> 00:23:23,340 got to that level of of uh of scrutiny 537 00:23:31,070 --> 00:23:27,059 and and things and and so here we have 538 00:23:35,330 --> 00:23:31,080 uh two disinfo agents discussing these 539 00:23:39,049 --> 00:23:35,340 subjects uh uh live on the air and when 540 00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,059 you hear that um I I I I find it being 541 00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:42,480 personally uh uh endearing because I 542 00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,000 know who I am and if anyone walked a day 543 00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,000 in my shoes they would get it but 544 00:23:52,730 --> 00:23:50,640 um how do you feel uh about that label 545 00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,740 that gets thrown around it doesn't 546 00:23:56,930 --> 00:23:54,720 bother me at all because like you said 547 00:23:58,909 --> 00:23:56,940 you know I stand on what I know which is 548 00:24:01,490 --> 00:23:58,919 the truth and I know I can't say 549 00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:01,500 everything so if you're upset at me for 550 00:24:06,649 --> 00:24:04,440 not spilling all of the beans I gotta 551 00:24:07,970 --> 00:24:06,659 leave a few back in the can and if you 552 00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:07,980 think that's this information that's 553 00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:10,799 fine I mean I don't care but I'm trying 554 00:24:16,370 --> 00:24:13,620 to tell you as much as I can in the 555 00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:16,380 context that I can that doesn't give 556 00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:18,840 away our very sensitive sources and 557 00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:22,500 methods and that is synchrosych to CIA 558 00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:25,500 because sources are like the people who 559 00:24:31,549 --> 00:24:28,980 speak to us who are committing Trader uh 560 00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:31,559 committing uh a Traders act against 561 00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:33,900 their own country at the risk of their 562 00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:35,580 own lives and the lives of their family 563 00:24:40,610 --> 00:24:37,500 to provide the United States of America 564 00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:40,620 with information that's a source and to 565 00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:43,260 reveal information that only that Source 566 00:24:49,610 --> 00:24:46,620 has that Source in others 567 00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:49,620 are in Jeopardy so you know you tell 10 568 00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,860 people a secret and one of them you know 569 00:24:58,370 --> 00:24:55,440 you hear is an agent and you release 570 00:24:59,630 --> 00:24:58,380 that information from One agent out of 571 00:25:02,510 --> 00:24:59,640 the ten who 572 00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,520 out of this country knows something uh 573 00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:05,039 they're gonna round them up and they 574 00:25:10,190 --> 00:25:08,400 will not have a very pleasant time uh in 575 00:25:12,289 --> 00:25:10,200 certain basements of the world 576 00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:12,299 and so we don't want that to happen and 577 00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,220 we don't want methods that is how do we 578 00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,799 extract information from a country that 579 00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:19,679 is a denied area uh let's say North 580 00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:21,960 Korea just an example or Iran how do we 581 00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,480 extract information from people who want 582 00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:26,400 to give us information without them 583 00:25:30,830 --> 00:25:28,440 getting caught that's the method of 584 00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:30,840 extraction data distraction once that's 585 00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:33,000 revealed we can never use that again 586 00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,700 it's over it's over it's game over and 587 00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:37,679 no one will want to speak with us again 588 00:25:42,529 --> 00:25:40,620 and so you know human intelligence is a 589 00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:42,539 major source of intelligence and the 590 00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:44,100 director of operations that's what they 591 00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,200 do and what I did was mostly technical 592 00:25:51,289 --> 00:25:48,000 collection you know from space 593 00:25:53,390 --> 00:25:51,299 satellites and from ground sensors 594 00:25:55,370 --> 00:25:53,400 um but you know that's very important so 595 00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:55,380 yeah I'm not going to spill everything 596 00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:58,320 but there's a lot of things here that 597 00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:02,159 why is it secret I don't understand why 598 00:26:06,289 --> 00:26:04,260 and I'm saying that Roswell happened 599 00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:06,299 let's say Roswell happened and there was 600 00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:08,580 this craft of extraordinary technology 601 00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:11,460 that crashed why did that get scrolled 602 00:26:14,269 --> 00:26:12,299 away 603 00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:14,279 all of a sudden it was a saucer now it's 604 00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:16,980 a boiler balloon the only thing I could 605 00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:18,900 come up with is that it's something we 606 00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:20,520 knew about already 607 00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:23,220 that it's something that maybe we 608 00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:26,340 exploited from German technology uh we 609 00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:29,159 collected a lot of the uh wunderwaffa 610 00:26:32,029 --> 00:26:30,600 weapons 611 00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:32,039 um that they were building and they were 612 00:26:35,450 --> 00:26:34,140 not able to finish it because we bombed 613 00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:35,460 the crap out of their industrial base 614 00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:37,620 and they brought them here we brought 615 00:26:40,909 --> 00:26:39,659 they brought the scientists here and we 616 00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:40,919 were able to finish some of that 617 00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:42,299 technology 618 00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:44,460 and maybe that's what it was and that 619 00:26:48,289 --> 00:26:46,260 looked like a saucer and then all of a 620 00:26:49,789 --> 00:26:48,299 sudden you know it's not a saucer so why 621 00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:49,799 did that get scroll away and why is it 622 00:26:53,230 --> 00:26:50,880 so Secret 623 00:26:55,070 --> 00:26:53,240 to me if it was like 624 00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:55,080 extraterrestrials let's say from another 625 00:27:00,169 --> 00:26:57,299 planet that came here on their craft 626 00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:00,179 that they made it like 40 light years 627 00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:02,340 away but for some reason it got so 628 00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:04,140 rickety in our atmosphere it fell apart 629 00:27:08,269 --> 00:27:05,760 and crashed 630 00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:08,279 um why did that happen you know 631 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:10,440 here's a here's a simple yes or no 632 00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:11,640 question 633 00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:17,600 um I just want to know my boundaries 634 00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:22,679 have you uh gotten a phone call 635 00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:26,760 um after speaking yes not a phone call I 636 00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:29,100 would say uh I got a text message 637 00:27:34,909 --> 00:27:31,620 okay that said chill out 638 00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:34,919 uh no um this the text message said that 639 00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:37,620 um I got several phone calls from CIA uh 640 00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:40,880 concerning what you said about 2027. 641 00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,400 oh hold on for a second that's that's 642 00:27:49,789 --> 00:27:47,520 where I take out my notepad 643 00:27:53,390 --> 00:27:49,799 notepad coming out 644 00:27:54,490 --> 00:27:53,400 um because uh over the last two or three 645 00:28:00,049 --> 00:27:54,500 years 646 00:28:01,970 --> 00:28:00,059 there were several several not only uh 647 00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:01,980 directors of National Intelligence but 648 00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:05,460 ex-directors of the CIA and other 649 00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:08,460 intelligence agencies it wasn't just one 650 00:28:16,909 --> 00:28:12,240 specific agency but alluded to and a few 651 00:28:18,649 --> 00:28:16,919 said pretty directly that we have been 652 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:18,659 tracking 653 00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:22,320 stuff entering our solar system and into 654 00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:25,520 and out of our atmosphere 655 00:28:29,690 --> 00:28:27,900 these are pretty interesting statements 656 00:28:34,610 --> 00:28:29,700 and 657 00:28:36,409 --> 00:28:34,620 um uh when you uh you said yourself that 658 00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,419 that was part of your thing was to track 659 00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:38,640 stuff right 660 00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:41,700 um were you aware of anything uh that 661 00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:43,320 was being tracked that wasn't ours that 662 00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:45,480 was Interstellar I don't know if there 663 00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:47,460 was Interstellar because it was within 664 00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:51,179 our space that is with CIS lunar that is 665 00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:53,940 between Earth and the moon and these are 666 00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,360 the orbs that um the Russians saw 667 00:29:03,110 --> 00:28:59,520 with their Radars that were designed to 668 00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:03,120 track satellites and also warn of 669 00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:04,620 ballistic missile launches from the 670 00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:06,840 United States so these Radars were 671 00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:09,840 tracking something that weren't 672 00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:11,580 satellites and were not ballistic 673 00:29:15,169 --> 00:29:13,380 missiles and they were wondering what 674 00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:15,179 these objects were 675 00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:17,880 and in preparation for the fact that 676 00:29:20,930 --> 00:29:19,620 they didn't know you know they went to 677 00:29:23,149 --> 00:29:20,940 high alert I mean you expect them 678 00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:23,159 there's an unknown here they come let's 679 00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:25,860 go to alert and so they brought up the 680 00:29:30,409 --> 00:29:28,559 Strategic rocket forces they're in the 681 00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:30,419 Continental ballistic missiles put them 682 00:29:36,409 --> 00:29:33,440 on like a higher state of alert whatever 683 00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,419 uh Defcon system they use you know they 684 00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:38,880 raised it and because they raised it we 685 00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:40,980 were able to detect the heightened 686 00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:43,140 awareness which got you know the 687 00:29:48,049 --> 00:29:45,240 Pentagon excited right and the Russian 688 00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:48,059 Russians go okay all of a sudden you 689 00:29:51,889 --> 00:29:49,860 know let's get them ready 690 00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:51,899 um you know we get excited as well and 691 00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:53,640 so my job was 692 00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,260 uh to do some analysis of that event 693 00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,720 um the customer for me was the deputy 694 00:30:06,409 --> 00:30:03,120 secretary of defense at the time his 695 00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:06,419 name was John Deutsch and 696 00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,260 um he asked his briefer about you know 697 00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:12,720 this incident that happened in Russia 698 00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:15,299 and obviously he already knew about it 699 00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:17,100 because he probably got briefed by the 700 00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:19,860 defense intelligence agency and the 701 00:30:24,409 --> 00:30:22,020 Pentagon intelligence Services about 702 00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:24,419 what happened and he wanted cia's a 703 00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:27,899 second opinion and so fine I got the job 704 00:30:33,889 --> 00:30:30,840 to write the memo did the research and 705 00:30:36,649 --> 00:30:33,899 though I did not say that they were UFOs 706 00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:36,659 I didn't say that I said it's obvious 707 00:30:41,450 --> 00:30:38,960 that these radars 708 00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:41,460 weren't detected something 709 00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:45,000 that was not a satellite and was not a 710 00:30:49,310 --> 00:30:46,799 ballistic missile launch 711 00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:49,320 and however I did not rule out Perhaps 712 00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:52,559 it is a glitch in the system but because 713 00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:53,940 they 714 00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:56,580 raised up the alert level for the 715 00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:58,980 missiles I kind of said that's highly 716 00:31:05,570 --> 00:31:01,200 unlikely and left it at that 717 00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,580 and my office mate Dave and I we hand 718 00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,159 delivered that memo to the office of the 719 00:31:13,310 --> 00:31:10,559 deputy secretary of defense and gave it 720 00:31:16,430 --> 00:31:13,320 to his chief staff 721 00:31:18,529 --> 00:31:16,440 and so there's that instance 722 00:31:19,970 --> 00:31:18,539 um and then there's another instance 723 00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:19,980 that 724 00:31:25,130 --> 00:31:22,380 um I cannot talk about because I don't 725 00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:25,140 have permission to talk about it 726 00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:27,659 um but I can say that um we're not the 727 00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:30,960 only country that had crashes or crash 728 00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:33,600 retrievals and so I would leave it at 729 00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,940 you know there could be visitations or 730 00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,740 crash crashes occurring in other 731 00:31:42,889 --> 00:31:40,559 countries uh that we got word of that 732 00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:42,899 were us reported 733 00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:46,860 um through the intelligence community 734 00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:50,700 and so I can say that much and um so I 735 00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,120 I'm hoping as part of the disclosure uh 736 00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,159 effort that I'm hoping will come out 737 00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:58,320 soon that would be Freer to talk about 738 00:32:02,510 --> 00:31:59,399 that 739 00:32:03,470 --> 00:32:02,520 and then I'll be more released from the 740 00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:03,480 um 741 00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:05,640 restriction of talking about it because 742 00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:07,980 it's still very sensitive 743 00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:10,980 um so I would say yes I mean I think you 744 00:32:15,169 --> 00:32:13,440 know there are other countries have had 745 00:32:16,850 --> 00:32:15,179 visitations 746 00:32:20,029 --> 00:32:16,860 uh I don't know if they Interstellar but 747 00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:20,039 they had something of high strangeness 748 00:32:25,789 --> 00:32:23,700 um visit their country and maybe had 749 00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:25,799 some response from the military I go 750 00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:27,899 back to Brazil 751 00:32:32,990 --> 00:32:30,480 um the Virginia incident that happened 752 00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,000 that James Fox so brilliantly documented 753 00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:35,760 uh in his movies a brilliant movie 754 00:32:39,710 --> 00:32:37,980 uh here we have the Brazilian government 755 00:32:42,409 --> 00:32:39,720 those authorities 756 00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:42,419 um knowing something and then James said 757 00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,100 that you know this 758 00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:45,840 looks like an Air Force plane came by 759 00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:48,120 and picked up everything 760 00:32:55,549 --> 00:32:51,980 so there's that indeed 761 00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:55,559 do you okay this is a two-part question 762 00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:58,919 the first part of it is 763 00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,679 um when we look at the last two reports 764 00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:03,360 that were released and I think the first 765 00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:06,360 one was a little bit uh more informative 766 00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:10,559 than the second one but that being said 767 00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:13,980 um in the first report that was very 768 00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:17,700 clear it's not adversarial it's not us 769 00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:21,659 and we have an other bin right lump this 770 00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,779 stuff in uh without saying E.T right but 771 00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:27,360 if it's not us and it's not them right 772 00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:29,100 and we've got the other bit so we have 773 00:33:34,009 --> 00:33:30,419 that 774 00:33:37,789 --> 00:33:34,019 um and clearly in the first UFO hearing 775 00:33:39,409 --> 00:33:37,799 with Bray and Moultrie them saying you 776 00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:39,419 know we're just trying to figure out 777 00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:43,940 what's going on we don't know yeah so 778 00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:47,580 the first question is is that a smoke 779 00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:50,580 screen yeah right where 780 00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:52,860 um our government DOD agencies it 781 00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:56,399 doesn't matter private uh industry 782 00:34:04,549 --> 00:33:59,279 um clearly know that we are being 783 00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:04,559 visited uh a lot by something that is 784 00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:07,320 not from planet Earth right they clearly 785 00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:09,300 know this but they are saying that they 786 00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,800 don't understand 787 00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:12,960 second part you can answer this at the 788 00:34:19,070 --> 00:34:15,540 same time the second part to that is are 789 00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:19,080 they waiting for something external to 790 00:34:26,210 --> 00:34:23,580 be confirmed NASA the James Webb wife on 791 00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:26,220 Mars you know something that would uh 792 00:34:31,849 --> 00:34:29,220 take the pressure off of the big reveal 793 00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:31,859 yeah and then and I answering the second 794 00:34:36,109 --> 00:34:33,359 part first uh that's something I've 795 00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:36,119 always thought that that would happen I 796 00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:37,919 think um you know the James Webb Space 797 00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:40,440 Telescope being up there I said before 798 00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:42,780 in other interviews that uh just stand 799 00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:44,460 by the James Webb Space sales folks who 800 00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:46,919 knows discover something 801 00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:49,020 that we knew it was there all along and 802 00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:51,300 I don't know what that something is I 803 00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:53,099 stated in a previous interview before 804 00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,980 the Space Telescope launched that watch 805 00:35:00,050 --> 00:34:57,599 out for Jupiter that's a very 806 00:35:03,050 --> 00:35:00,060 interesting planet and sure enough the 807 00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,060 very first pictures were of Jupiter and 808 00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:05,520 allegedly they do but Jupiter pitchers 809 00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:08,339 were leaked quote unquote 810 00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,460 um so there's that and so could there be 811 00:35:17,089 --> 00:35:14,160 something that NASA would find I think 812 00:35:19,730 --> 00:35:17,099 NASA already knows I think 813 00:35:22,670 --> 00:35:19,740 they've been like airbrushing stuff out 814 00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:22,680 for decades that they know and they've 815 00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:25,140 put their astronauts 816 00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:26,820 um under a non-disclosure agreement that 817 00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:29,940 they can't speak about what they saw and 818 00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:32,339 witnessed and I think that data is at 819 00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:34,980 Nasa and uh to the first part of your 820 00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:36,420 question 821 00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:39,300 um absolutely they know more than what 822 00:35:42,970 --> 00:35:40,440 they state 823 00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:42,980 and so 824 00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:45,180 as far as you know using the word 825 00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,560 extraterrestrial 826 00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:49,440 they might know that you know a lot of 827 00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:52,200 this phenomenon is kind of Earth Centric 828 00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:54,660 and that is it's something that's not 829 00:36:00,410 --> 00:35:58,200 human but not flying from wave out here 830 00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:00,420 to come here that it could be resident 831 00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:02,760 on the planet and so that therefore it's 832 00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:05,940 not extraterrestrial so when Dr Packer 833 00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:07,560 says well we don't have no evidence of 834 00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:10,260 it being extraterrestrial someone should 835 00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:12,359 ask well okay how about the stuff coming 836 00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:13,980 out of the ocean 837 00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:14,640 um 838 00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:16,500 are they terrestrial are they like 839 00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,599 non-humans who are terrestrial you know 840 00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:20,640 and I think he might know the answer to 841 00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:23,280 that but no one bothered to ask I would 842 00:36:27,890 --> 00:36:25,260 love to be a congressman just for a 843 00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:27,900 second yeah no kidding on the panel so 844 00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:30,180 that's the best way I can answer that 845 00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:31,680 um I think there's a lot more that they 846 00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:35,520 know uh I believe that uh real soon now 847 00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:37,980 that much more would be talked about and 848 00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:41,160 again they the government must submit 849 00:36:46,930 --> 00:36:45,300 that non-human intelligences 850 00:36:49,849 --> 00:36:46,940 are 851 00:36:53,390 --> 00:36:49,859 part of this key part of this phenomena 852 00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,400 that what's flying is non-human that's 853 00:36:56,990 --> 00:36:55,440 the biggest emission and that we can 854 00:37:00,650 --> 00:36:57,000 forget about everything else and start 855 00:37:05,870 --> 00:37:00,660 there and build from there 856 00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:05,880 um nycap which was the first 857 00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:09,839 uh I I should say National but uh it was 858 00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:13,380 a big organization uh was formed in 1956 859 00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:16,400 and largely at that time 860 00:37:23,230 --> 00:37:20,820 uh the board of directors uh this was a 861 00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:23,240 civilian independent of the Air Force 862 00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:26,640 UFO investigation uh organization much 863 00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:30,480 like mufon is today but nycap originally 864 00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:35,280 was a lot of Navy uh ex-admirals and you 865 00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:36,660 know that 866 00:37:43,849 --> 00:37:39,060 um were part of the organization and 867 00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:43,859 then in the 60s the CIA came in and 868 00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,119 really got involved with nycap and so 869 00:37:54,250 --> 00:37:50,160 now we're talking about you know over 50 870 00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:54,260 years ago that the CIA has been actively 871 00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:00,359 looking at data and looking at uh UFO 872 00:38:05,170 --> 00:38:02,940 um and not only incursions uh but the 873 00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:05,180 other things that go along with it 874 00:38:11,810 --> 00:38:09,540 that has to be continuing to this day oh 875 00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:11,820 yes um it started even before then it 876 00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:15,960 started in 47 probably in 45 when 877 00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:17,400 um we um 878 00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,480 when uh then the OSS was stood down and 879 00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:23,040 then in 46 we had the Central 880 00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:25,140 Intelligence Group which later became 881 00:38:28,910 --> 00:38:26,820 CIA 882 00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:28,920 um you know we had the trinity 883 00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:31,140 uh incident that occurred that uh was 884 00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:33,480 brilliantly researched by jock valet and 885 00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:35,700 Paula Harris who wrote the book Trinity 886 00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:37,859 right something that occurred you know 887 00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:41,400 uh very shortly after the first atomic 888 00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:43,380 weapon was detonated 889 00:38:47,810 --> 00:38:45,660 and Trinity New Mexico that site and 890 00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:47,820 Trinity so I think the cia's been 891 00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,980 involved even before that in fact I 892 00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:52,079 think they were involved since 1947 I 893 00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:54,420 mean at the very beginning 894 00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:55,200 um 895 00:38:59,089 --> 00:38:57,480 there was an office called the office of 896 00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:59,099 research and estimates there's a 897 00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:00,960 scientific intelligence branch that had 898 00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,480 the UFO portfolio in it from the Roswell 899 00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,240 days and that could be that Branch 900 00:39:10,089 --> 00:39:08,160 scientific intelligence became an office 901 00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,099 of its own office of scientific 902 00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,960 intelligence and in that office there 903 00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:15,119 was a gentleman named ed taus 904 00:39:22,849 --> 00:39:18,900 who designed the disinformation campaign 905 00:39:25,310 --> 00:39:22,859 in 1952 that was his job because UFOs 906 00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:25,320 were seen over DC and they said oh my 907 00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:26,700 gosh there they are 908 00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:30,000 um we need to discourage any interest by 909 00:39:36,530 --> 00:39:33,599 the public and what flew over D.C we 910 00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:36,540 need to start right now right here and 911 00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:41,220 CIA your job is to go out there and deny 912 00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:42,420 everything 913 00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:45,180 and disparage any Witnesses 914 00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:48,960 and just disrupt any studies 915 00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:52,140 by the civilians meanwhile 916 00:39:55,849 --> 00:39:54,540 no back inside the building we're going 917 00:39:59,450 --> 00:39:55,859 to study it 918 00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,460 in depth and so that's what started in 919 00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:01,920 52 and it's been going on ever since so 920 00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,960 you know 52 office of scientific 921 00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,240 intelligence then it was other offices 922 00:40:11,630 --> 00:40:09,599 of scientific weapons research I was in 923 00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:11,640 that weapons intelligence 924 00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:14,220 non-proliferation arms control that that 925 00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:18,180 Center I was in that and it was in oswr 926 00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:19,800 that 927 00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:20,940 um 928 00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:25,320 I saw a report of high interest uh go 929 00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:27,480 back to your earlier question about an 930 00:40:30,770 --> 00:40:29,160 incident that occurred in a foreign 931 00:40:34,609 --> 00:40:30,780 country 932 00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:34,619 regarding UFOs and that was back in the 933 00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:38,480 90s 94 I think and then uh when I was in 934 00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:41,880 winpac that's when the working group 935 00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:45,420 started when the nro censors that now 936 00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:48,660 had infrared capabilities start seeing 937 00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,480 these orbs that are orange flying in 938 00:40:57,230 --> 00:40:54,240 formation over Russian 939 00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,240 space and so you know was it Russian was 940 00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:59,280 it Chinese we ruled out Russia and China 941 00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:01,140 that's what my Branch did my Engineers 942 00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:03,960 ruled out plasma stealth generators we 943 00:41:06,589 --> 00:41:05,099 knew that the Russians were 944 00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:06,599 experimenting on on some of their 945 00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:09,060 aircraft and we ruled that out and in 946 00:41:13,550 --> 00:41:11,160 our world didn't check their software on 947 00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,560 the ground checked the spacecraft up in 948 00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,079 space everything is fine they looked at 949 00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:18,720 that and go you know it can't be that so 950 00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:20,460 what is going on so they started a 951 00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,920 working group and they briefed uh you 952 00:41:26,930 --> 00:41:24,960 know the alphabet soup agencies an 953 00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:26,940 intelligence Community which then in 954 00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:29,820 turn brought in the contractors that we 955 00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:31,260 all know well you know Lockheed Martin 956 00:41:34,970 --> 00:41:34,079 Raytheon Northstar Grumman Boeing those 957 00:41:37,849 --> 00:41:34,980 guys 958 00:41:40,310 --> 00:41:37,859 um and they they had meanings about the 959 00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:40,320 orbs and I know that the orb working 960 00:41:45,650 --> 00:41:43,320 group had everything to do with UFOs and 961 00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:45,660 our knowledge up to that point 962 00:41:50,569 --> 00:41:48,119 up to that point and they it was totally 963 00:41:53,569 --> 00:41:50,579 about UFOs and the orb association with 964 00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:53,579 UFOs and then that was before all set 965 00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:56,280 because that study stopped around 2006 966 00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:00,900 2007 as Senator Reid and senator in a 967 00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:03,660 way both started funding 968 00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,420 um you know allsap and Robert Bigalow 969 00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:07,920 came in and so forth and so on so we 970 00:42:12,349 --> 00:42:10,020 know the rest of the story but you know 971 00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:12,359 that was part of that whole study that 972 00:42:17,930 --> 00:42:16,020 never stopped never stopped it was so he 973 00:42:21,069 --> 00:42:17,940 have no idea how brilliant that was 974 00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:21,079 because that it it was my next question 975 00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,460 because that takes us all the way 976 00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:26,400 through to today yeah where you have the 977 00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:30,240 UAP task force and that and in the 978 00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:35,700 budget for 2022 and 2023 very like 979 00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:39,680 written into law yes all of the agencies 980 00:42:49,130 --> 00:42:46,020 all of them will share their data right 981 00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,140 is this CI now we know that the the 982 00:42:53,329 --> 00:42:51,359 United States Air Force is not right 983 00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:53,339 that's right there's a lot of arm 984 00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:57,119 twisting going on yep is is the CIA 985 00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:00,540 um uh NSA nro 986 00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:03,960 um and you have the uh the Navy uh of 987 00:43:11,170 --> 00:43:07,200 course the Army the Marines are they all 988 00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:11,180 you know their uh their intelligence 989 00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,280 are they sharing their information is 990 00:43:19,849 --> 00:43:16,800 the CIA is sharing their information 991 00:43:21,050 --> 00:43:19,859 that they have been collecting uh let me 992 00:43:23,809 --> 00:43:21,060 answer it this way 993 00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:23,819 um Dr kirkpatra gave you a big clue that 994 00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,520 he is facing an uphill battle with some 995 00:43:31,010 --> 00:43:28,800 of these agencies and the reason why is 996 00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:31,020 that the Pentagon is under something 997 00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:34,319 called U.S code title 10. so the subtle 998 00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:37,619 laws that governs the management of the 999 00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:41,040 uniform armed services title 10. and he 1000 00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:43,079 is in the Pentagon serving the under 1001 00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,760 secretary of defense for intelligence 1002 00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:46,319 and security who then serves the 1003 00:43:51,050 --> 00:43:48,540 Secretary of Defense who answers to the 1004 00:43:53,890 --> 00:43:51,060 president now it's the CIA side you have 1005 00:43:56,809 --> 00:43:53,900 the director of CIA who asked us to 1006 00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:56,819 Abraham's the dni who then answers to 1007 00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:57,900 the president 1008 00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:01,319 and so if there's any kind of like 1009 00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,040 uh resistance to sharing information 1010 00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:08,400 uh what the inviting Administration did 1011 00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:12,180 was they gave the UAP portfolio also to 1012 00:44:17,210 --> 00:44:13,980 the National Security Council under Jake 1013 00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:17,220 Sullivan and so whereas Avril Haynes 1014 00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:19,560 even though she's dni she has to call 1015 00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,060 the White House to schedule a meeting 1016 00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,800 with the president and you know what's 1017 00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:24,480 the president of Canada like I would 1018 00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:26,520 like to meet with him for 15 minutes to 1019 00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:28,680 discuss something very urgent right what 1020 00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:30,420 Jake Sullivan just needs to walk in the 1021 00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:31,200 door 1022 00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:33,540 so you have a UAP guy now in the White 1023 00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:35,880 House just walks them to the door and he 1024 00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:37,560 because he is in the National Security 1025 00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:40,140 Council uh working directly for the 1026 00:44:43,069 --> 00:44:41,520 president and speaks for the president 1027 00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:43,079 on all think matters National Security 1028 00:44:49,609 --> 00:44:47,280 uh he can say CIA share data 1029 00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:49,619 and CIA will have to share data there's 1030 00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:52,020 been some resistance I understand right 1031 00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:54,420 then some resistance I was sharing data 1032 00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:56,940 to the UAP task force uh under a 1033 00:45:00,490 --> 00:44:58,680 previous direct deputy director of 1034 00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,500 science and technology 1035 00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:03,359 did not want to share data 1036 00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:06,720 uh with a member of the UAP task force 1037 00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:08,460 and actually pulled the member of the 1038 00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:10,680 UAP task force I don't have to share 1039 00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,839 anything with you 1040 00:45:16,849 --> 00:45:14,400 and basically kick them out of the 1041 00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:16,859 office right well why has that climate 1042 00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:21,839 changed John I I don't yeah because you 1043 00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,540 know when that occurred or laws were not 1044 00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,880 as strong as they are now right now we 1045 00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:29,040 have it in black and white right no we 1046 00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,720 have you know CIA uh nro NSA NGA all of 1047 00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:35,520 these alphabet soups you know start 1048 00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:38,460 sharing data and so Kirkpatrick is still 1049 00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,160 facing some uphill battle of trying to 1050 00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,560 get stuff from the title 50 civilian 1051 00:45:48,410 --> 00:45:46,079 Community intelligence community so 1052 00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,420 people look at intelligence as this big 1053 00:45:53,809 --> 00:45:50,640 monolith you know it's all the Pentagon 1054 00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:53,819 it's not or there are like competing and 1055 00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:55,380 competitive 1056 00:45:59,630 --> 00:45:58,140 um kind of associations regarding 1057 00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,640 everything to do with the Pentagon 1058 00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:02,400 including UAP so in some areas it is 1059 00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:04,380 cooperative relationship right it 1060 00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,020 benefits the agencies cooperating and 1061 00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:08,880 when it doesn't benefit one uh there's a 1062 00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:11,220 lot of resistance it's competitive 1063 00:46:15,710 --> 00:46:14,040 and so you know that's why they need it 1064 00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:15,720 at the White House they needed someone 1065 00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:18,660 to referee these disagreements with the 1066 00:46:23,089 --> 00:46:20,280 authority to do so 1067 00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:23,099 and so I believe that that is the reason 1068 00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:26,760 why everyone is now on board and at dcia 1069 00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,540 I know that there are liaison officers I 1070 00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:32,880 Know Two Gentlemen by name I won't name 1071 00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,520 them not even by first name uh that I 1072 00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:37,920 knew uh when I was working they were 1073 00:46:43,069 --> 00:46:41,220 much more Junior when I was there uh 1074 00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:43,079 than now in senior positions and they 1075 00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:47,700 are the liaison to the arrow 1076 00:46:54,349 --> 00:46:51,540 the the I think that there was a very 1077 00:46:56,410 --> 00:46:54,359 historic moment uh two two and a half 1078 00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:56,420 years ago two years ago 1079 00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:00,000 when in the White House Press Room 1080 00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:04,079 they're doing a live uh you know press 1081 00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:07,619 conference about all things and then 1082 00:47:13,630 --> 00:47:11,160 somebody asked about the the UAP report 1083 00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:13,640 and from the podium 1084 00:47:20,109 --> 00:47:18,240 UFO was said out loud right right I 1085 00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:20,119 thought wait a minute 1086 00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:22,980 this is we are in A Brave New World now 1087 00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:26,400 yeah that just happened inside of The 1088 00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:29,880 White House live National Television UFO 1089 00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:34,200 was just said without laughter is is 1090 00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,020 that when you say everybody's on board 1091 00:47:44,089 --> 00:47:39,359 is it like that now well in Washington 1092 00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,099 DC where UFO and UAP is is is actually 1093 00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,800 used in conversation 1094 00:47:51,290 --> 00:47:48,960 um I would say yes within the offices 1095 00:47:53,329 --> 00:47:51,300 that deal with the subject matter yes I 1096 00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,339 would say that's a true statement in 1097 00:47:59,690 --> 00:47:55,680 fact um you know it was Avril Haynes in 1098 00:48:02,450 --> 00:47:59,700 the uh November is it 2021 uh she had 1099 00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:02,460 the uh it was that panel discussion at 1100 00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:03,960 the National Cathedral our future in 1101 00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:06,359 space yes where she said you know we 1102 00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:08,460 have to consider also that they may be 1103 00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,980 coming to us extraterrestrially 1104 00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:12,960 and I don't know if people caught it but 1105 00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,819 uh Dr Kirkpatrick himself in the most 1106 00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:16,800 recent hearing he actually stated that 1107 00:48:21,650 --> 00:48:19,680 we have bins you know and uh one of the 1108 00:48:24,290 --> 00:48:21,660 one of those bins is the extreme 1109 00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:24,300 extraterrestrial bit and he said it 1110 00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:25,740 there 1111 00:48:31,130 --> 00:48:28,160 um and that's something that uh Mr 1112 00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:31,140 Moultrie and brave did not say but he 1113 00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:33,420 said it that we you know they're looking 1114 00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,420 at all possibilities 1115 00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,880 um so you may not have the evidence now 1116 00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,280 but he's not discounting it so I think 1117 00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:43,680 the answer is yes it's it's it is a new 1118 00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:46,980 climate and there's no Stigma I think it 1119 00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:49,500 involved inside the intelligence 1120 00:48:56,569 --> 00:48:53,339 Community to talk about this now now uh 1121 00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:56,579 Chris Mellon gave us an interesting clue 1122 00:49:02,510 --> 00:49:00,000 as to how pervasive uaps are because he 1123 00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:02,520 actually revealed in the debrief article 1124 00:49:08,809 --> 00:49:07,079 exposing the Air Force as being the uh 1125 00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,819 kicking and screaming 1126 00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:10,800 uh partner and all this that they don't 1127 00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:13,319 want to go there he also stated that you 1128 00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:15,480 know the Air Force has had a campaign 1129 00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:17,700 to you know intimidate people in the Air 1130 00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:21,420 Force they're looking at a database 1131 00:49:29,329 --> 00:49:24,540 a SharePoint database that contains 1132 00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:29,339 information about uaps and UFOs that the 1133 00:49:34,910 --> 00:49:33,060 dni setup it is the equivalent of UFO 1134 00:49:36,589 --> 00:49:34,920 Twitter for those who have top secret 1135 00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:36,599 SCI clearances 1136 00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:39,540 my understanding is in that database 1137 00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,160 individuals 1138 00:49:46,730 --> 00:49:43,680 are talking about their personal 1139 00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:46,740 experiences with the phenomenon talking 1140 00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:48,660 about professional encounters with the 1141 00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:51,119 phenomenon and they're also inserting 1142 00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:53,339 like documents into the into that 1143 00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:56,400 database and then because this TS SCI 1144 00:50:00,890 --> 00:49:58,440 those aren't redacted 1145 00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:00,900 and so even within the dni you know 1146 00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:03,359 there's a lot more openness involved and 1147 00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,060 in that article uh I just interrupted 1148 00:50:11,450 --> 00:50:08,880 you John but okay clock I I want your 1149 00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:11,460 response to this in that article which I 1150 00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,760 read dozens of times uh by Chris melon 1151 00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:17,520 it was it was long first off it was very 1152 00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,520 wordy but it was to the point and it was 1153 00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:23,040 well written and in that when he 1154 00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:25,260 addresses what you're talking about here 1155 00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:28,980 he said that this is a secured chat room 1156 00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:31,920 system right and 1157 00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:34,680 um and that in the beginning 1158 00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,160 the Air Force had their own Personnel 1159 00:50:43,309 --> 00:50:40,319 that was in you know getting involved in 1160 00:50:44,809 --> 00:50:43,319 these chats and he said the Air Force 1161 00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:44,819 stepped in he said everybody was 1162 00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:48,240 involved right yes yes and the Air Force 1163 00:50:55,309 --> 00:50:52,140 stepped in and said no yeah no more Air 1164 00:50:58,130 --> 00:50:55,319 Force in in this class my chat room 1165 00:51:00,109 --> 00:50:58,140 right why would the Air Force jump and 1166 00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,119 the Air Force never denied that by the 1167 00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:02,960 way and Chris melon put that 1168 00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,880 published that yes why do you think the 1169 00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:07,920 Air Force jumped in and said no you're 1170 00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:10,140 no no no you can't like I said you know 1171 00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,520 they're the guys that are kicking and 1172 00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:13,680 screaming about this because they are 1173 00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:15,240 the stakeholders with the most to lose 1174 00:51:20,049 --> 00:51:17,339 and what do they have to lose 1175 00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:20,059 um they're very fearful that the 1176 00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:22,020 intelligence surveillance reconnaissance 1177 00:51:28,910 --> 00:51:25,680 spy plane that exhibit extraordinary 1178 00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:28,920 capabilities uh might be exposed 1179 00:51:33,130 --> 00:51:31,140 and that's that's their concern and they 1180 00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:33,140 don't want any conversation about this 1181 00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:37,079 because because I believe that that 1182 00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:39,480 technology it may not be accurately 1183 00:51:45,890 --> 00:51:43,500 reproduced but there were technologies 1184 00:51:48,049 --> 00:51:45,900 that inspired the design they don't want 1185 00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:48,059 any of that to get out so you know 1186 00:51:53,870 --> 00:51:50,520 that's squash anything with UA Falls 1187 00:51:57,049 --> 00:51:53,880 uaps in it because we know that you know 1188 00:51:59,630 --> 00:51:57,059 we use that we utilize it though isn't 1189 00:52:01,370 --> 00:51:59,640 that a weak excuse that's that's the way 1190 00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,380 the Air Force thinks I mean they're just 1191 00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:03,119 like you know they're putting up walls 1192 00:52:07,730 --> 00:52:05,400 and peering up barriers 1193 00:52:10,010 --> 00:52:07,740 um you know and is it because they've 1194 00:52:11,870 --> 00:52:10,020 always been The Gatekeepers 1195 00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:11,880 um I can say this that the Air Force has 1196 00:52:17,089 --> 00:52:14,280 been a primary GateKeeper and I would 1197 00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:17,099 raise my hand as a former CI officer and 1198 00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:19,200 so has the CIA and I would think that 1199 00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:22,079 and then in the early days of Roswell 1200 00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:23,940 um we had 1201 00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:27,599 you know the U.S Army Air Forces that 1202 00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,460 became the Air Force and we had the 1203 00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,200 Central Intelligence group that became 1204 00:52:35,329 --> 00:52:33,359 the CIA and there are the two 1205 00:52:37,970 --> 00:52:35,339 organizations that were most involved 1206 00:52:40,609 --> 00:52:37,980 with whatever crashed at Roswell and 1207 00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,619 they've been there since day one to 1208 00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:42,480 protect this information 1209 00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:44,940 but where we differ is that I think the 1210 00:52:51,770 --> 00:52:48,300 CIA is now becoming more open to the 1211 00:52:53,809 --> 00:52:51,780 idea that maybe it's time now to release 1212 00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:53,819 what we have because we don't we don't 1213 00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:56,520 bend metal as they say in the defense 1214 00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:58,079 Community bending metal means you know 1215 00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:00,540 you're bidding airplanes at Palmdale we 1216 00:53:05,870 --> 00:53:03,000 don't we don't do that anymore 1217 00:53:07,309 --> 00:53:05,880 um but we do study it from more I think 1218 00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:07,319 more from the 1219 00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:09,000 believe it or not the higher 1220 00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:10,440 Consciousness 1221 00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:11,220 um 1222 00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:13,880 the uh 1223 00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:16,880 experiencer type this High strangeness 1224 00:53:23,230 --> 00:53:20,940 type of perspective and that's what 1225 00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:23,240 fueled like the remote viewing program 1226 00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:26,400 it fueled some of the MK Ultra program 1227 00:53:31,849 --> 00:53:29,220 which was not so much about mind control 1228 00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:31,859 but behavior modification 1229 00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:34,559 and so the very first MK Ultra program 1230 00:53:40,930 --> 00:53:37,920 was actually called project chatter 1231 00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:40,940 it was aligned with the CIA and the Navy 1232 00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:44,880 in 1947 chatter 1233 00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:46,859 um and you we keep hearing that you know 1234 00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:49,040 the beings communicated telepathically 1235 00:53:54,109 --> 00:53:52,319 and likely the CIA wanted to know how 1236 00:53:55,970 --> 00:53:54,119 did that work because my God if we can 1237 00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:55,980 communicate telepathically we can talk 1238 00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,400 to our agents that way you know 1239 00:54:02,510 --> 00:54:00,720 telepathically it's secure and we can do 1240 00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:02,520 remote viewing we can we don't have to 1241 00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,380 risk the lives of an operations officer 1242 00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:06,000 or an agent go somewhere we can remote 1243 00:54:11,809 --> 00:54:08,760 view it we can consciously send 1244 00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,819 our minds someplace and look at top 1245 00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:13,440 secret stuff being worked on by another 1246 00:54:17,470 --> 00:54:14,400 country 1247 00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:17,480 and so a lot of that is within the CIA 1248 00:54:24,170 --> 00:54:20,640 preview purview and that is what we call 1249 00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:24,180 the weird desk the weird desk at CIA was 1250 00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:27,540 all about telekinesis psychoenergetics 1251 00:54:31,849 --> 00:54:29,400 um these types of topics 1252 00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:31,859 the high strangeness part it's a lot 1253 00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:34,160 cheaper than paying somebody's salary 1254 00:54:39,049 --> 00:54:36,420 well you don't have to pay somebody to 1255 00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,059 fly overseas and and be there for a year 1256 00:54:43,370 --> 00:54:41,760 if you could do it from a desk at you 1257 00:54:44,290 --> 00:54:43,380 know it's not even the cost I mean you 1258 00:54:46,450 --> 00:54:44,300 know 1259 00:54:49,069 --> 00:54:46,460 yeah yeah 1260 00:54:50,809 --> 00:54:49,079 sure sure yeah all of that all of that 1261 00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:50,819 comes into play 1262 00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:54,420 um okay let me ask you this really quick 1263 00:55:03,290 --> 00:54:58,400 um uh I ask Avi Loeb the same question 1264 00:55:06,109 --> 00:55:03,300 that if Avi discovered something I mean 1265 00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:06,119 the the the the that thing right 1266 00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:09,660 whatever it may be but the the thing 1267 00:55:14,270 --> 00:55:11,900 or somebody else 1268 00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:14,280 would there be 1269 00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:16,440 you know obvious civilian right that's 1270 00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:18,079 that's private 1271 00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:22,260 would there be a government takeover of 1272 00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:25,200 that information does the CIA come in 1273 00:55:31,790 --> 00:55:29,280 does the nro just DOD odni and and take 1274 00:55:35,089 --> 00:55:31,800 control of it like the James Webb like 1275 00:55:37,329 --> 00:55:35,099 the mo the movie contact 1276 00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:37,339 right where 1277 00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,780 they would keep this information from 1278 00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:41,760 the public in the interests of National 1279 00:55:47,690 --> 00:55:44,880 Security is that possible in this day of 1280 00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:47,700 information I don't think so um that 1281 00:55:53,569 --> 00:55:49,980 can't happen um in fact uh Dr Patrick 1282 00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,579 said that he is working with Academia as 1283 00:55:59,089 --> 00:55:55,440 part of Arrow he's bringing Academia 1284 00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:59,099 into Arrow to share what he can with 1285 00:56:02,990 --> 00:56:01,380 Academia because 1286 00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:03,000 um there's a lot more expertise out 1287 00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:04,319 there than what's inside the government 1288 00:56:09,049 --> 00:56:06,420 and we have some really smart people 1289 00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:09,059 working in the government but again you 1290 00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,980 know their world view is somewhat 1291 00:56:15,230 --> 00:56:13,200 constrained by the fact that they are in 1292 00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:15,240 government and what we need are open 1293 00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,339 minds outside of government to look into 1294 00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:20,160 this issue and I believe Dr Patrick and 1295 00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:22,260 Errol uh will be doing that and in fact 1296 00:56:27,410 --> 00:56:24,900 Dr Kirkpatrick what did he do the guy 1297 00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:27,420 who heads arrow co-authored a paper with 1298 00:56:32,170 --> 00:56:29,940 avilo and I don't think that could have 1299 00:56:35,809 --> 00:56:32,180 happened like two years ago even 1300 00:56:37,849 --> 00:56:35,819 why didn't Jilla brand bring that up 1301 00:56:39,890 --> 00:56:37,859 I think 1302 00:56:43,309 --> 00:56:39,900 she didn't want to bring it up in Open 1303 00:56:45,770 --> 00:56:43,319 Session I would not be surprised that 1304 00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:45,780 you know in closed session that was a 1305 00:56:52,190 --> 00:56:49,440 lot more substantive discussion going on 1306 00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,200 and uh so again I'm I'm hoping that 1307 00:56:57,710 --> 00:56:54,960 whatever is going on behind closed doors 1308 00:57:01,069 --> 00:56:57,720 will come out out into the open and I'm 1309 00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:01,079 hoping that there is a disclosure 1310 00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,180 initial initial disclosure 1311 00:57:07,790 --> 00:57:05,040 that will happen real soon now because 1312 00:57:10,370 --> 00:57:07,800 there's absolutely no sense to keep 1313 00:57:11,930 --> 00:57:10,380 anything under a tight lid there really 1314 00:57:14,030 --> 00:57:11,940 isn't 1315 00:57:15,650 --> 00:57:14,040 um I don't know what justification they 1316 00:57:16,849 --> 00:57:15,660 have to keep it on tightly other than 1317 00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,859 the Air Force we've got something that's 1318 00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:18,960 really cool that we don't want anyone to 1319 00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:20,700 see 1320 00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:23,040 um okay but everything else I mean why 1321 00:57:27,230 --> 00:57:25,020 why why do that because 1322 00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:27,240 this stuff doesn't belong to the US 1323 00:57:31,069 --> 00:57:29,099 government or any government it belongs 1324 00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:31,079 to humanity it belongs to the world and 1325 00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,540 we need to release it into the world I 1326 00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:35,280 keep saying the American government 1327 00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:38,400 needs to get out of the UFO Monopoly 1328 00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:41,700 that it has had since the 40s they need 1329 00:57:46,190 --> 00:57:43,760 to support initiatives internationally 1330 00:57:48,490 --> 00:57:46,200 and one of the things that we would like 1331 00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:48,500 the folks who are pushing for disclosure 1332 00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:53,040 is to support San Marino and project 1333 00:57:59,150 --> 00:57:55,200 Titan where they would want everything 1334 00:58:03,230 --> 00:57:59,160 to be under the United Nations well 1335 00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,240 that's that's such a great point in that 1336 00:58:07,730 --> 00:58:05,359 um I feel that our International 1337 00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:07,740 cooperation in space 1338 00:58:12,589 --> 00:58:10,079 as as you know considering all the other 1339 00:58:15,230 --> 00:58:12,599 issues that we have geopolitically on 1340 00:58:17,930 --> 00:58:15,240 this planet that when it comes to space 1341 00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:17,940 you know we've had soyuz and Ross Cosmos 1342 00:58:22,750 --> 00:58:20,160 flying our astronauts we've been using 1343 00:58:25,549 --> 00:58:22,760 their engines there's been a general 1344 00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:25,559 cooperation in the sharing of knowledge 1345 00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:30,240 of of space travel and exploration it's 1346 00:58:36,109 --> 00:58:33,000 it's been pretty cool it's the same 1347 00:58:38,170 --> 00:58:36,119 thing going on with UFO and ET 1348 00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:38,180 information is there international 1349 00:58:42,650 --> 00:58:40,500 cooperation there or is everybody 1350 00:58:43,609 --> 00:58:42,660 keeping everything close to the chest no 1351 00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:43,619 I think there is international 1352 00:58:47,569 --> 00:58:46,559 cooperation I do and 1353 00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:47,579 um you know 1354 00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:50,880 it happens I mean it does happen 1355 00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:51,900 um 1356 00:58:55,609 --> 00:58:54,180 does that cooperation extend to the 1357 00:58:57,230 --> 00:58:55,619 People's Republic of China and the 1358 00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:57,240 Russian Federation I can't answer that 1359 00:59:01,130 --> 00:58:58,680 there's a lot of things we don't 1360 00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:01,140 cooperate about but there in the past we 1361 00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,400 did 1362 00:59:06,589 --> 00:59:04,799 um you'd be surprised as to you know how 1363 00:59:09,289 --> 00:59:06,599 much level of cooperation we do have 1364 00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:09,299 even with our adversaries that there's 1365 00:59:13,789 --> 00:59:11,460 some level of communications we don't 1366 00:59:15,230 --> 00:59:13,799 cut everybody off 1367 00:59:17,930 --> 00:59:15,240 um and some people says well you never 1368 00:59:19,549 --> 00:59:17,940 disclosed anything top secret well why 1369 00:59:20,990 --> 00:59:19,559 is it top secret I mean that's just a 1370 00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,000 stroke of a pen 1371 00:59:25,309 --> 00:59:23,280 you know I mean anything top secret can 1372 00:59:27,049 --> 00:59:25,319 be Declassified in an instant by The 1373 00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:27,059 Stroke of a pen of the president of the 1374 00:59:30,770 --> 00:59:28,440 United States he has the authority 1375 00:59:33,490 --> 00:59:30,780 original classification authority to 1376 00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:33,500 unclassify anything declassify anything 1377 00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:36,000 and so that's within this purview and 1378 00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,980 that's what's happening now we're saying 1379 00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,839 that you know we don't want this to be 1380 00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:41,760 top secret anymore there's no reason for 1381 00:59:46,190 --> 00:59:43,440 it to be top secret okay you're going to 1382 00:59:48,049 --> 00:59:46,200 hide your fancy airplane that's fine you 1383 00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,059 know hide it you know hide your 1384 00:59:53,329 --> 00:59:50,640 triangles you know I I guess that yeah I 1385 00:59:54,770 --> 00:59:53,339 do too but everything else why is it I 1386 00:59:56,510 --> 00:59:54,780 don't think it's top secret and people 1387 01:00:01,069 --> 00:59:56,520 say it's a fantasy that you're going to 1388 01:00:03,770 --> 01:00:01,079 disclose oh boy oh boy I just can't wait 1389 01:00:06,049 --> 01:00:03,780 I just can't wait uh toward around the 1390 01:00:08,089 --> 01:00:06,059 holiday season okay I want you to say 1391 01:00:09,890 --> 01:00:08,099 that to my face again that uh you're not 1392 01:00:13,370 --> 01:00:09,900 going to disclose anything that your 1393 01:00:16,670 --> 01:00:13,380 disinformation agent because uh 1394 01:00:18,710 --> 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your host Jimmy Church our guest 1479 01:03:43,549 --> 01:03:41,579 tonight John Ramirez and I'm x39 I keep 1480 01:03:45,470 --> 01:03:43,559 it right here in the studio I'm wearing 1481 01:03:48,289 --> 01:03:45,480 it right now it's right here 1482 01:03:50,569 --> 01:03:48,299 wearing on the basement I I got my 1483 01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:50,579 vision back look at my face 1484 01:03:58,190 --> 01:03:54,000 I'm healthy I'm rested my brain is clear 1485 01:03:59,870 --> 01:03:58,200 for guests like John Ramirez and and now 1486 01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:59,880 John 1487 01:04:06,170 --> 01:04:02,400 um I how 1488 01:04:09,230 --> 01:04:06,180 how do you get into the CIA do you get 1489 01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:09,240 recruited do you fill out a job 1490 01:04:14,450 --> 01:04:12,480 application how how does that happen 1491 01:04:16,190 --> 01:04:14,460 well right now 1492 01:04:18,770 --> 01:04:16,200 um I think the easiest way to get into 1493 01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:18,780 CIA is to just go on their website and 1494 01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,660 they have all the jobs advertised that 1495 01:04:25,549 --> 01:04:23,520 you might qualify for 1496 01:04:27,530 --> 01:04:25,559 um you know the stipulation is you know 1497 01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:27,540 you got to be a U.S citizen that's 1498 01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:30,480 that's number one we don't hire Russian 1499 01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:32,400 citizens of Chinese citizens or you know 1500 01:04:37,309 --> 01:04:34,319 Brazilian citizens they're US citizens 1501 01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:37,319 so that's one uh you have to be 18 years 1502 01:04:44,329 --> 01:04:41,220 minimum that's two and a third you 1503 01:04:48,349 --> 01:04:44,339 should not have an outstanding warrant 1504 01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,359 or a felony conviction in your record so 1505 01:04:51,950 --> 01:04:50,400 that's it now the rest is like 1506 01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:51,960 qualifications that is technical 1507 01:04:56,270 --> 01:04:54,240 qualifications and there's a whole list 1508 01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:56,280 of jobs that you might qualify for some 1509 01:05:02,450 --> 01:04:58,740 of them do stipulate a degree not all 1510 01:05:05,390 --> 01:05:02,460 jobs of CIA require a college degree we 1511 01:05:07,730 --> 01:05:05,400 have like trade skills we have 1512 01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:07,740 automobile mechanics who take care of 1513 01:05:10,849 --> 01:05:09,359 the fleet of limousines that the 1514 01:05:13,010 --> 01:05:10,859 directors and Deputy judges get the 1515 01:05:14,329 --> 01:05:13,020 right in so we have a motor pool and 1516 01:05:17,210 --> 01:05:14,339 there's people there that you know 1517 01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:17,220 specialize in being professional drivers 1518 01:05:24,410 --> 01:05:22,079 or fixing automobiles we have other jobs 1519 01:05:27,230 --> 01:05:24,420 that are related to Logistics and 1520 01:05:30,349 --> 01:05:27,240 whatnot and Supply that may not require 1521 01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,359 a college degree but more more than more 1522 01:05:34,910 --> 01:05:32,400 in most censuses ecology degree is 1523 01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:34,920 required and one of the fields that CIA 1524 01:05:40,670 --> 01:05:37,280 is recruiting into so there's the job 1525 01:05:41,809 --> 01:05:40,680 webpage at cia.gov 1526 01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:41,819 um secondly 1527 01:05:47,329 --> 01:05:44,640 um CIA goes to campuses across the 1528 01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:47,339 United States and they recruit there at 1529 01:05:50,930 --> 01:05:48,720 College fairs like all the other 1530 01:05:52,849 --> 01:05:50,940 companies do competing with the talent 1531 01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:52,859 offered by that particular College 1532 01:05:58,730 --> 01:05:56,220 University and I've been to college 1533 01:06:01,089 --> 01:05:58,740 campuses my favorites are in like USC 1534 01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:01,099 and UCLA I like going out to California 1535 01:06:06,589 --> 01:06:03,839 uh mainly because uh there's a wonderful 1536 01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:06,599 hamburger stand at uh rampant Rampart 1537 01:06:11,150 --> 01:06:08,160 and 1538 01:06:13,970 --> 01:06:11,160 ah I forget the other one but 1539 01:06:15,530 --> 01:06:13,980 um that's okay there's a great if you 1540 01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:15,540 see this Shack take it back you know 1541 01:06:19,789 --> 01:06:17,280 what I'm saying you know which one I'm 1542 01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:19,799 talking about Tommy's Tommy's thank you 1543 01:06:25,609 --> 01:06:23,520 yes the best ah yes if you haven't had a 1544 01:06:27,770 --> 01:06:25,619 Tommy burger yet and had a burger I I 1545 01:06:31,250 --> 01:06:27,780 wear my Tommy shirt here on Fade to 1546 01:06:33,890 --> 01:06:31,260 Black at least once a month uh uh wow 1547 01:06:38,210 --> 01:06:33,900 okay you just went up a level uh there 1548 01:06:41,930 --> 01:06:40,490 um I actually uh was writing to CIA was 1549 01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:41,940 serving in the Navy I served a Navy 1550 01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:45,240 between 73 and 79 and I was in a job 1551 01:06:50,510 --> 01:06:48,180 that required a clearance and it was um 1552 01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:50,520 electronic warfare so I knew a lot about 1553 01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:53,280 radar signals and how to jam radar 1554 01:06:58,730 --> 01:06:55,920 signals it was a skill set that CIA was 1555 01:07:00,529 --> 01:06:58,740 interested in so I I queried you know 1556 01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,539 made a job query about what 1557 01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,400 opportunities they might be for somebody 1558 01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:04,079 with my background and say yes we do 1559 01:07:08,829 --> 01:07:05,940 have opportunities however we recommend 1560 01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:08,839 you get a college degree uh prior to 1561 01:07:13,789 --> 01:07:11,160 contacting us again so I got out of the 1562 01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:13,799 Navy uh went to the George Washington 1563 01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,319 University in Washington DC majored in 1564 01:07:21,230 --> 01:07:18,720 political science but I had a technical 1565 01:07:24,109 --> 01:07:21,240 background through the Navy and so I was 1566 01:07:26,990 --> 01:07:24,119 hired into the I applied through a 1567 01:07:30,349 --> 01:07:27,000 actually a Washington post ad and the 1568 01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:30,359 Sunday edition no they wanted uh 1569 01:07:37,309 --> 01:07:32,760 military sickles intelligence expert 1570 01:07:39,049 --> 01:07:37,319 apply here write to us so I did and I 1571 01:07:41,690 --> 01:07:39,059 was scheduled for a series of interviews 1572 01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:41,700 uh which culminated in a background 1573 01:07:46,010 --> 01:07:44,640 investigation and a not very pleasant 1574 01:07:51,890 --> 01:07:46,020 polygraph 1575 01:07:52,970 --> 01:07:51,900 they get into every details detail of 1576 01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:52,980 your life 1577 01:08:00,349 --> 01:07:58,559 that yes that means sex yes they want to 1578 01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:00,359 know everything they want to know you 1579 01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:02,240 know what turns you on you know 1580 01:08:08,089 --> 01:08:05,760 literally uh their idea is that we're 1581 01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:08,099 going to share with you the most secret 1582 01:08:12,049 --> 01:08:09,359 information in the United States 1583 01:08:14,809 --> 01:08:12,059 government we feel that you should share 1584 01:08:16,430 --> 01:08:14,819 your most personal information with the 1585 01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:16,440 United States government now let's Let 1586 01:08:19,550 --> 01:08:18,420 It Be an exchange they also want to know 1587 01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:19,560 if there's anything in your background 1588 01:08:23,150 --> 01:08:21,359 that could be used against you that 1589 01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,160 you're hiding 1590 01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:25,199 um so I mean 1591 01:08:30,050 --> 01:08:28,020 you know if if a gentleman likes to wear 1592 01:08:31,849 --> 01:08:30,060 uh ladies clothing they don't care as 1593 01:08:33,890 --> 01:08:31,859 long as you admit it to CIA 1594 01:08:36,050 --> 01:08:33,900 literally they don't care because then 1595 01:08:38,209 --> 01:08:36,060 if a foreign intelligence service says 1596 01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:38,219 well we're going to tell your employer 1597 01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,080 that you like to wear women's clothing 1598 01:08:44,689 --> 01:08:42,719 and the guy would say I don't care CIA 1599 01:08:46,849 --> 01:08:44,699 already knows they already knows that 1600 01:08:49,249 --> 01:08:46,859 stipulation so I mean that's how that's 1601 01:08:51,169 --> 01:08:49,259 why they get into such uh details about 1602 01:08:53,090 --> 01:08:51,179 one's personal life and you get through 1603 01:08:55,309 --> 01:08:53,100 that and most people fail the poly 1604 01:08:57,410 --> 01:08:55,319 that's why there's a cleansing out of 1605 01:08:58,970 --> 01:08:57,420 the applicants because they fail that 1606 01:09:01,010 --> 01:08:58,980 polygraph 1607 01:09:02,689 --> 01:09:01,020 um and then after that you'll get a 1608 01:09:03,769 --> 01:09:02,699 phone call saying we adjudicated your 1609 01:09:05,630 --> 01:09:03,779 case 1610 01:09:06,729 --> 01:09:05,640 um just pick a day you show up I picked 1611 01:09:09,229 --> 01:09:06,739 June 18 1612 01:09:14,269 --> 01:09:09,239 1984. that's the day I started my career 1613 01:09:16,249 --> 01:09:14,279 and on September 30 uh 2009 was the uh 1614 01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,259 my second happiest day was leaving the 1615 01:09:21,289 --> 01:09:18,960 CIA I took off my badge I batched out 1616 01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:21,299 took off my badge gave it to the 1617 01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:23,520 security officer and said I don't need 1618 01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:26,880 this anymore I retired see ya I walked 1619 01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,040 out the door and I only been back once I 1620 01:09:33,890 --> 01:09:31,199 only been back once for a reunion in 1621 01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:33,900 August of 20 16. now 1622 01:09:39,410 --> 01:09:36,560 um we're going to get back to UFOs 1623 01:09:42,910 --> 01:09:39,420 everybody just just relax but I gotta 1624 01:09:45,650 --> 01:09:42,920 ask is it is getting into the building 1625 01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:45,660 and wandering around the building is it 1626 01:09:55,010 --> 01:09:53,390 as a civilian you're probably not going 1627 01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,020 to get through the front gate into the 1628 01:09:58,970 --> 01:09:57,120 parking lot right without being on some 1629 01:10:00,650 --> 01:09:58,980 kind of limit you're a U.S citizen with 1630 01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,660 a social security number right right and 1631 01:10:04,910 --> 01:10:02,400 if I was still a CI officer and I wanted 1632 01:10:07,310 --> 01:10:04,920 to invite you to for lunch at CIA I just 1633 01:10:09,770 --> 01:10:07,320 put in a gate pass Jimmy Church here's 1634 01:10:12,410 --> 01:10:09,780 the social place of birth date of birth 1635 01:10:14,030 --> 01:10:12,420 put it in it gets approved you drive up 1636 01:10:16,510 --> 01:10:14,040 they give you a batch it's a visitor's 1637 01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:16,520 batch and you 1638 01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:19,679 I can go to the CIA cafeteria can I get 1639 01:10:24,530 --> 01:10:22,980 a hat do you guys shop we do have a uh 1640 01:10:26,990 --> 01:10:24,540 employee store that you can get hats 1641 01:10:30,430 --> 01:10:27,000 shut up can you can you get that set up 1642 01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:30,440 I'm not down for that you want us 1643 01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:33,600 to fly out tomorrow no you don't have to 1644 01:10:39,550 --> 01:10:36,480 though the the stores online the stores 1645 01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:39,560 hotline yeah everything's online man 1646 01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:41,880 isn't like that though you know going 1647 01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:44,640 through the building you're you know I 1648 01:10:51,470 --> 01:10:47,040 would say that um there are very few 1649 01:10:53,630 --> 01:10:51,480 that actually show our front lobby 1650 01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:53,640 the most accurate 1651 01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:57,000 um is the I I don't know 1652 01:11:03,169 --> 01:11:00,960 who puts it out is it Prime video but uh 1653 01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:03,179 there's the Jack Ryan series 1654 01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:06,120 and at the very first episode you know 1655 01:11:10,970 --> 01:11:09,420 season one episode one it shows him uh 1656 01:11:13,550 --> 01:11:10,980 riding his bicycle 1657 01:11:15,290 --> 01:11:13,560 and parking it in front of the building 1658 01:11:17,169 --> 01:11:15,300 then that's not going to happen 1659 01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:17,179 I'm telling you that 1660 01:11:21,709 --> 01:11:20,400 only VIPs get to do that and then he 1661 01:11:23,810 --> 01:11:21,719 walks into the building and it actually 1662 01:11:26,270 --> 01:11:23,820 showed the lobby of the building and 1663 01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:26,280 actually show him badging in correctly 1664 01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:28,140 and then they show him walking through 1665 01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:29,760 the quarter and that is an actual 1666 01:11:34,490 --> 01:11:31,380 Corridor CIA 1667 01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:34,500 and I freeze frame some of the uh the 1668 01:11:38,090 --> 01:11:35,520 door 1669 01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:38,100 um labels for the office Vault numbers 1670 01:11:43,370 --> 01:11:40,320 and they're accurate that's exactly the 1671 01:11:44,810 --> 01:11:43,380 way we do it wow um well it starts with 1672 01:11:47,450 --> 01:11:44,820 the floor number 1673 01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:47,460 and it could be like seven which is the 1674 01:11:51,290 --> 01:11:48,900 seventh floor the top floor where the 1675 01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:51,300 director is the next is the corridor 1676 01:11:57,530 --> 01:11:55,020 name which is might be d as in delta and 1677 01:12:00,410 --> 01:11:57,540 then the Vault number which could be I 1678 01:12:04,430 --> 01:12:00,420 don't know 64. so 7D 64. that's a 1679 01:12:07,729 --> 01:12:04,440 legitimate uh office uh designation for 1680 01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:07,739 an address and it's either nhb for new 1681 01:12:12,050 --> 01:12:10,080 headquarters building or ohb for 1682 01:12:15,470 --> 01:12:12,060 original headquarters building the one 1683 01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:15,480 that was um I think was built uh 1684 01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:19,440 uh in the 5960 era that you mostly see 1685 01:12:23,930 --> 01:12:22,080 but the new building was in the 80s so 1686 01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:23,940 that's it you know 1687 01:12:29,330 --> 01:12:27,360 um so yeah I find it fascinating I I 1688 01:12:30,890 --> 01:12:29,340 really do and and thank you for 1689 01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:30,900 answering that 1690 01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:31,760 um 1691 01:12:40,610 --> 01:12:36,719 it is it's it's a situation where 1692 01:12:42,649 --> 01:12:40,620 um going through uh the building and you 1693 01:12:45,169 --> 01:12:42,659 see there's this is the last question on 1694 01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:45,179 this where uh somebody's gonna go into 1695 01:12:49,790 --> 01:12:47,040 their office and they scan their badge 1696 01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:49,800 to get into their own office and then in 1697 01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:53,040 their own office they have a safe yeah 1698 01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:55,679 is that just Hollywood you don't scan 1699 01:12:58,850 --> 01:12:57,480 into a batch to get into an office you 1700 01:13:00,110 --> 01:12:58,860 scan into the building and once you're 1701 01:13:01,430 --> 01:13:00,120 in the building you can go anywhere you 1702 01:13:04,370 --> 01:13:01,440 can go anywhere you want yeah you got 1703 01:13:06,590 --> 01:13:04,380 your you got your blue badge right the 1704 01:13:07,729 --> 01:13:06,600 blue badge is a pitcher against the 1705 01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:07,739 field of blue 1706 01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,260 there is an alphanumeric designation 1707 01:13:15,290 --> 01:13:12,719 under the badge it usually starts with 1708 01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:15,300 two alphabetical uh letters followed by 1709 01:13:19,010 --> 01:13:16,800 three digits 1710 01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:19,020 and that's it there's no name or 1711 01:13:26,450 --> 01:13:24,300 anything on it and so it'd be like zz99 1712 01:13:28,430 --> 01:13:26,460 that's the CIA badge it has the drift 1713 01:13:30,110 --> 01:13:28,440 Jimmy Church on it yeah right and on the 1714 01:13:32,689 --> 01:13:30,120 back it actually says they found please 1715 01:13:35,149 --> 01:13:32,699 put drop it in the nearest post post box 1716 01:13:36,590 --> 01:13:35,159 and it would be returned to the U.S 1717 01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:36,600 postmaster or something I don't know 1718 01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:38,400 that's what it used to say in my time 1719 01:13:42,890 --> 01:13:40,800 and now that we have Community badges 1720 01:13:44,990 --> 01:13:42,900 odni badges 1721 01:13:46,750 --> 01:13:45,000 um in fact if my badge uh toward the end 1722 01:13:50,330 --> 01:13:46,760 of my career when the odni was stood up 1723 01:13:52,370 --> 01:13:50,340 my badge could actually get into any 1724 01:13:55,729 --> 01:13:52,380 building in the intelligence community 1725 01:13:58,370 --> 01:13:55,739 in the DC area so I can go up to NSA and 1726 01:14:01,790 --> 01:13:58,380 badge in and punch in my secret number 1727 01:14:03,770 --> 01:14:01,800 right there's a batch plus a number and 1728 01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:03,780 oh there goes the turnstiles I walk into 1729 01:14:07,970 --> 01:14:06,060 the NSA and just wandering around 1730 01:14:10,850 --> 01:14:07,980 as long as I wear that bash No One's 1731 01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:10,860 Gonna Stop Me I could go to nro uh I can 1732 01:14:14,750 --> 01:14:13,199 go to NGA I can go to any building 1733 01:14:17,330 --> 01:14:14,760 uh it's part of the intelligence 1734 01:14:18,590 --> 01:14:17,340 Community including dni headquarters 1735 01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:18,600 um no one stops you as long as you have 1736 01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:21,120 the badge blue is for government 1737 01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,040 staffers we call them blue Badgers 1738 01:14:28,490 --> 01:14:25,679 that's us and green is for contractors 1739 01:14:30,169 --> 01:14:28,500 that's in-house contractors those who 1740 01:14:32,689 --> 01:14:30,179 work in the buildings because they have 1741 01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,699 a contract with that agency does not 1742 01:14:37,370 --> 01:14:34,800 include like the guy who's out there in 1743 01:14:39,290 --> 01:14:37,380 El Segundo working for Aerospace right 1744 01:14:41,870 --> 01:14:39,300 you know that he won't have that unless 1745 01:14:43,550 --> 01:14:41,880 he frequently visits one of these 1746 01:14:45,770 --> 01:14:43,560 buildings and then he they might get him 1747 01:14:48,290 --> 01:14:45,780 get him a batch that has building access 1748 01:14:52,189 --> 01:14:48,300 and so that's all it is to it and you 1749 01:14:56,330 --> 01:14:52,199 know it's we don't batch in um you just 1750 01:15:00,050 --> 01:14:56,340 punch us uh some numbers and some 1751 01:15:01,430 --> 01:15:00,060 buttons to get in that's it man yeah 1752 01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:01,440 it's everything is evolved everything 1753 01:15:06,110 --> 01:15:03,840 the entire building is a skiff except 1754 01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:06,120 for the hallways and the cafeteria yeah 1755 01:15:12,649 --> 01:15:09,840 cell phones no cell phones um right back 1756 01:15:13,850 --> 01:15:12,659 in my time uh you leave your cell phone 1757 01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:13,860 in your car 1758 01:15:17,870 --> 01:15:15,840 and in fact you turn off your cell phone 1759 01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:17,880 in your car the problem is you know no 1760 01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,440 smart watches because you know they have 1761 01:15:23,090 --> 01:15:21,360 geolocation and cell phones have 1762 01:15:24,890 --> 01:15:23,100 geolocation you can actually locate 1763 01:15:26,570 --> 01:15:24,900 where that cell phone is so you can 1764 01:15:28,490 --> 01:15:26,580 track that cell phone number and say hey 1765 01:15:30,590 --> 01:15:28,500 this guy is parked at the CIA 1766 01:15:34,910 --> 01:15:30,600 headquarters don't want that so you turn 1767 01:15:37,790 --> 01:15:34,920 off all of that stuff so Jack Ryan yeah 1768 01:15:39,770 --> 01:15:37,800 that's using his cell phone in the CIA 1769 01:15:41,930 --> 01:15:39,780 cafeteria at that age no no that doesn't 1770 01:15:44,930 --> 01:15:41,940 happen though people do have authorized 1771 01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:44,940 cell phones they did Issue cell phones 1772 01:15:47,570 --> 01:15:46,260 um there were authorized cell phones 1773 01:15:50,030 --> 01:15:47,580 that are checked out by the office of 1774 01:15:52,189 --> 01:15:50,040 security okay that I don't want to get 1775 01:15:54,590 --> 01:15:52,199 you in any more trouble not it's it's 1776 01:15:56,750 --> 01:15:54,600 nothing like that I mean by golly I mean 1777 01:15:59,630 --> 01:15:56,760 there are college students right now who 1778 01:16:02,090 --> 01:15:59,640 are sophomores at USC who are like 1779 01:16:02,930 --> 01:16:02,100 working at CIA over the summer you know 1780 01:16:08,689 --> 01:16:02,940 they're 1781 01:16:11,810 --> 01:16:08,699 and we clear them for top secret SCI 1782 01:16:13,729 --> 01:16:11,820 I mean that's not much access a college 1783 01:16:15,410 --> 01:16:13,739 student and we're hoping that the 1784 01:16:17,930 --> 01:16:15,420 college student will work for us but 1785 01:16:19,850 --> 01:16:17,940 he's under no obligation to continue 1786 01:16:22,370 --> 01:16:19,860 so he's got all these wonderful tickets 1787 01:16:23,689 --> 01:16:22,380 and what they usually do is they apply 1788 01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:23,699 to CIA get one of these wonderful 1789 01:16:27,770 --> 01:16:26,159 tickets and he's an aerospace engineer 1790 01:16:29,870 --> 01:16:27,780 and you know we're only paying him this 1791 01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:29,880 much but you know if he takes his top 1792 01:16:34,669 --> 01:16:32,340 secret clearance from CIA and it's good 1793 01:16:37,490 --> 01:16:34,679 for like I don't know five years 1794 01:16:40,010 --> 01:16:37,500 um he can then Market that to like North 1795 01:16:41,149 --> 01:16:40,020 Arc Brahman sure say hey yeah you know I 1796 01:16:42,830 --> 01:16:41,159 got this top secret and all of a sudden 1797 01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:42,840 Norfolk Grumman has to pay in the big 1798 01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,340 bucks for having that top secret 1799 01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:46,320 clearance so we have a lot of college 1800 01:16:49,850 --> 01:16:48,239 kids that run through the building and 1801 01:16:51,229 --> 01:16:49,860 usually have no intention of making a 1802 01:16:53,810 --> 01:16:51,239 career and then to go find more 1803 01:16:56,030 --> 01:16:53,820 lucrative jobs elsewhere similarly to a 1804 01:16:58,010 --> 01:16:56,040 retirees like us you know getting 1805 01:17:00,169 --> 01:16:58,020 contacted on the phone 18 months after 1806 01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:00,179 we leave that was the rule back in my 1807 01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:03,840 day right we get a call and then and I 1808 01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,640 was flabbergasted by how much money was 1809 01:17:10,370 --> 01:17:07,679 thrown at me just because I had a top 1810 01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,380 secret clearance but I didn't I didn't 1811 01:17:14,410 --> 01:17:12,000 want to work there anymore I just forget 1812 01:17:18,290 --> 01:17:14,420 it I'm done 1813 01:17:21,950 --> 01:17:18,300 it's the uh you have mentioned a couple 1814 01:17:24,649 --> 01:17:21,960 of times tonight on the show about the 1815 01:17:27,890 --> 01:17:24,659 feeling of something eminent yeah and 1816 01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:27,900 now you threw three numbers out you said 1817 01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:33,360 in in months yes he said the by the end 1818 01:17:42,890 --> 01:17:36,960 of the year and then you mentioned 2027 1819 01:17:45,890 --> 01:17:42,900 yes okay that's not that broad but no in 1820 01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:45,900 a sense it kind of is so in the short 1821 01:17:50,330 --> 01:17:48,480 term when you say three to four months 1822 01:17:52,490 --> 01:17:50,340 what do what do you expect 1823 01:17:56,810 --> 01:17:52,500 um let's see what is it now it's um 1824 01:17:59,090 --> 01:17:56,820 almost May right yeah um I would say let 1825 01:18:00,770 --> 01:17:59,100 me say uh months meaning like sometime 1826 01:18:02,570 --> 01:18:00,780 in a calendar year before the holiday 1827 01:18:07,790 --> 01:18:02,580 season 1828 01:18:09,649 --> 01:18:07,800 November before Thanksgiving yeah let's 1829 01:18:13,850 --> 01:18:09,659 let's say that Thanksgiving Christmas 1830 01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:13,860 holiday season uh sometime in that area 1831 01:18:19,070 --> 01:18:16,800 of the calendar uh they may be uh 1832 01:18:20,750 --> 01:18:19,080 there's an opportunity to have perhaps a 1833 01:18:23,570 --> 01:18:20,760 disclosure event I don't know because 1834 01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:23,580 I'm not managing it at all 1835 01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:25,199 um but I get wind that you know 1836 01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:27,179 something like that might happen and the 1837 01:18:31,970 --> 01:18:29,280 2027 is is something completely 1838 01:18:33,530 --> 01:18:31,980 different okay we'll come back to 2027. 1839 01:18:37,010 --> 01:18:33,540 I'm not letting you off that easy John 1840 01:18:40,370 --> 01:18:37,020 yeah so let's let's go when you say the 1841 01:18:43,130 --> 01:18:40,380 wind what is the wind telling you 1842 01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:43,140 the wind yeah you said there's something 1843 01:18:48,649 --> 01:18:46,800 in the wind oh yeah yeah uh what's 1844 01:18:51,649 --> 01:18:48,659 happening in the near term uh during 1845 01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:51,659 this calendar year I think it is it's 1846 01:18:58,610 --> 01:18:54,719 going to culminate into some kind of 1847 01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:58,620 event or some announcement or I don't 1848 01:19:01,850 --> 01:19:00,480 know how it's going to be portrayed I 1849 01:19:04,130 --> 01:19:01,860 don't know because I'm not managing this 1850 01:19:07,010 --> 01:19:04,140 the process but there will be an 1851 01:19:10,450 --> 01:19:07,020 opportunity for uh current and former 1852 01:19:14,689 --> 01:19:10,460 government officials to come forward 1853 01:19:17,410 --> 01:19:14,699 and disclose at least at a minimum that 1854 01:19:18,970 --> 01:19:17,420 what is flying what we're seeing 1855 01:19:22,130 --> 01:19:18,980 represents 1856 01:19:23,930 --> 01:19:22,140 non-human technology that it was not 1857 01:19:26,689 --> 01:19:23,940 built by humans 1858 01:19:28,610 --> 01:19:26,699 that much is a huge deal for the 1859 01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:28,620 government which has been saying that we 1860 01:19:31,490 --> 01:19:30,000 don't know what it is so if it's cereal 1861 01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:31,500 this and that or whatever we we have no 1862 01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,840 idea when they do have an idea and I 1863 01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:35,520 think they will reveal that yes we do 1864 01:19:40,490 --> 01:19:37,199 have an idea and we know that it's 1865 01:19:42,410 --> 01:19:40,500 non-human that that would lead to other 1866 01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:42,420 opportunities for the government to come 1867 01:19:46,850 --> 01:19:44,340 forward the most important thing the 1868 01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:46,860 reason why they want to do it so quickly 1869 01:19:52,130 --> 01:19:50,400 now is they want this to be part of the 1870 01:19:55,729 --> 01:19:52,140 2024 1871 01:19:58,610 --> 01:19:55,739 political process for the president the 1872 01:20:01,209 --> 01:19:58,620 primary campaigns the debates in front 1873 01:20:04,970 --> 01:20:01,219 of the mainstream media correspondence 1874 01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:04,980 of being able to bring up this question 1875 01:20:10,490 --> 01:20:08,159 in that type of forum where before you 1876 01:20:12,590 --> 01:20:10,500 get the giggles right no one wants to 1877 01:20:14,090 --> 01:20:12,600 say anything and nobody wants to answer 1878 01:20:16,669 --> 01:20:14,100 the question because they don't want to 1879 01:20:19,209 --> 01:20:16,679 be cast as you know oh my gosh this guy 1880 01:20:22,850 --> 01:20:19,219 is crazy he believes in ETS and UFOs 1881 01:20:26,750 --> 01:20:22,860 well suppose you know one of the people 1882 01:20:28,970 --> 01:20:26,760 that will come forward used to be ahead 1883 01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:28,980 of an intelligence agency at a high 1884 01:20:32,570 --> 01:20:30,719 position either the director or deputy 1885 01:20:34,490 --> 01:20:32,580 director or the secretary or under 1886 01:20:38,209 --> 01:20:34,500 Secretary of a major department let's 1887 01:20:41,450 --> 01:20:38,219 say defense just to pick one and so this 1888 01:20:44,330 --> 01:20:41,460 person says I know that you know 1889 01:20:46,250 --> 01:20:44,340 what's been visiting us is non-human 1890 01:20:49,729 --> 01:20:46,260 we've known it all along 1891 01:20:51,050 --> 01:20:49,739 and I used to be the former Secretary of 1892 01:20:52,669 --> 01:20:51,060 whatever 1893 01:20:54,410 --> 01:20:52,679 all right now I was a journalist you 1894 01:20:56,330 --> 01:20:54,420 know if you're a journalist I know you 1895 01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:56,340 would and you you know thank you Mr 1896 01:21:00,350 --> 01:20:58,560 so-and-so and I would move that 1897 01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:00,360 microphone over to the current person 1898 01:21:05,810 --> 01:21:02,880 who occupies that position 1899 01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:05,820 so hey you know Mr so-and-so who you're 1900 01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,320 now Secretary of this 1901 01:21:12,530 --> 01:21:09,360 your predecessor in the previous 1902 01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:12,540 administration or two said that he knows 1903 01:21:18,050 --> 01:21:15,199 that what we're seeing in the skies 1904 01:21:20,330 --> 01:21:18,060 represents non-human technology he 1905 01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:20,340 stated it for the record what do you 1906 01:21:23,390 --> 01:21:21,360 know 1907 01:21:25,130 --> 01:21:23,400 that puts that guy in a hot spot doesn't 1908 01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:25,140 it because if he says I don't know I 1909 01:21:28,729 --> 01:21:26,880 don't can't say anything he's going to 1910 01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:28,739 look awfully stupid 1911 01:21:34,970 --> 01:21:31,199 and that is the purpose of getting it 1912 01:21:36,649 --> 01:21:34,980 out into the open soon because then 1913 01:21:38,990 --> 01:21:36,659 to make it part of the presidential 1914 01:21:42,110 --> 01:21:39,000 process we would want the mainstream 1915 01:21:44,689 --> 01:21:42,120 media correspondence of the major news 1916 01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,699 organizations to ask these candidates 1917 01:21:49,310 --> 01:21:46,800 you know what do you feel about the AP 1918 01:21:51,229 --> 01:21:49,320 issue because you know all of these 1919 01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:51,239 former government people who served in 1920 01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:53,280 previous administrations of previous 1921 01:21:58,850 --> 01:21:56,400 presidents said this for the record 1922 01:22:01,490 --> 01:21:58,860 if you become president and you then 1923 01:22:03,530 --> 01:22:01,500 appoint a secretary of this or that you 1924 01:22:06,590 --> 01:22:03,540 know what is your position on the UAP 1925 01:22:08,689 --> 01:22:06,600 issue that's a serious question now 1926 01:22:11,390 --> 01:22:08,699 and that's what we want happen and that 1927 01:22:14,990 --> 01:22:11,400 opens up more disclosure that opens up 1928 01:22:17,870 --> 01:22:15,000 an opportunity for the 2024 winner of 1929 01:22:19,550 --> 01:22:17,880 the presidential campaign to be the 1930 01:22:22,010 --> 01:22:19,560 disclosure president 1931 01:22:24,890 --> 01:22:22,020 an opportunity for that person to 1932 01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:24,900 disclose everything so in order to have 1933 01:22:31,010 --> 01:22:27,600 for that to happen we have to pass that 1934 01:22:32,410 --> 01:22:31,020 big hurdle that it's been hinted at but 1935 01:22:36,910 --> 01:22:32,420 we're not there yet 1936 01:22:39,229 --> 01:22:36,920 non-human technology non-human craft 1937 01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:39,239 non-human Pilots 1938 01:22:44,570 --> 01:22:42,480 we need to at least address that as 1939 01:22:46,850 --> 01:22:44,580 disclosure which is a huge thing for the 1940 01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:46,860 government to say after Decades of 1941 01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:48,960 denying everything 1942 01:22:52,850 --> 01:22:50,880 um and if that happens then I am very 1943 01:22:55,490 --> 01:22:52,860 hopeful that it will open everything up 1944 01:22:57,950 --> 01:22:55,500 and have more serious discussions about 1945 01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:57,960 what we're seeing why they're here 1946 01:23:03,229 --> 01:23:01,199 and our role in this you know that what 1947 01:23:05,290 --> 01:23:03,239 is our role why are they visiting us us 1948 01:23:07,610 --> 01:23:05,300 puny humans on a in this you know 1949 01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:07,620 non-descript rock 1950 01:23:14,090 --> 01:23:10,320 that's third from this you know ordinary 1951 01:23:16,970 --> 01:23:14,100 sun and the Orion spur of one of many 1952 01:23:19,370 --> 01:23:16,980 galaxies you know why us you know we 1953 01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:19,380 want that to to be answered as well 1954 01:23:23,689 --> 01:23:21,840 it'll teach us a lot about who we are as 1955 01:23:26,689 --> 01:23:23,699 humans I will teach us a lot about 1956 01:23:28,189 --> 01:23:26,699 humanity and I'm hoping that 1957 01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:28,199 um that we'll learn to take care of our 1958 01:23:31,729 --> 01:23:29,520 planet better 1959 01:23:33,470 --> 01:23:31,739 uh because they are showing up because 1960 01:23:35,149 --> 01:23:33,480 of nuclear weapons 1961 01:23:37,550 --> 01:23:35,159 that's the principal reason they're 1962 01:23:39,410 --> 01:23:37,560 showing up yeah it seems that way it 1963 01:23:41,090 --> 01:23:39,420 seems that way John and that's such an 1964 01:23:46,189 --> 01:23:41,100 excellent point 1965 01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:46,199 and and I believe that it's an excellent 1966 01:23:53,870 --> 01:23:48,000 point because 1967 01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:53,880 we have careers that last 20 30 40 50 1968 01:24:01,490 --> 01:23:57,840 years but politicians run and certainly 1969 01:24:05,930 --> 01:24:01,500 an administration's run is eight years 1970 01:24:09,770 --> 01:24:05,940 at its longest right and so whatever is 1971 01:24:12,290 --> 01:24:09,780 going on career-wise as an agenda across 1972 01:24:14,209 --> 01:24:12,300 the board is is something that will 1973 01:24:17,689 --> 01:24:14,219 continue after the president leaves 1974 01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:17,699 office so therefore you would need to 1975 01:24:24,830 --> 01:24:21,840 approach it that way right it is that's 1976 01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:24,840 probably the most important uh point to 1977 01:24:29,450 --> 01:24:27,600 bring forward here is that this has been 1978 01:24:32,090 --> 01:24:29,460 going on for a very long time but 1979 01:24:35,149 --> 01:24:32,100 presidents come and go and right now 1980 01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:35,159 this is where we're at and therefore we 1981 01:24:40,669 --> 01:24:37,440 need to make this part of the the next 1982 01:24:43,610 --> 01:24:40,679 Administration exactly exactly and all 1983 01:24:46,910 --> 01:24:43,620 administrations henceforth uh we are 1984 01:24:51,530 --> 01:24:46,920 living in the disclosure era we truly 1985 01:24:53,390 --> 01:24:51,540 are and my my uh my humors uh take on it 1986 01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:53,400 is what do all the ufologists do when 1987 01:24:58,209 --> 01:24:55,440 everything gets disclosed 1988 01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,219 what do they do for a living you know 1989 01:25:01,669 --> 01:25:00,239 we're already we've already told you 1990 01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:01,679 everything what do you do now you know 1991 01:25:07,310 --> 01:25:04,560 what books are you going to write I I 1992 01:25:09,890 --> 01:25:07,320 get that all the time I do 1993 01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:09,900 um I get an email or a comment at least 1994 01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:12,239 once a day Jimmy you know after 1995 01:25:15,709 --> 01:25:14,820 disclosure what are you gonna do for a 1996 01:25:18,590 --> 01:25:15,719 job 1997 01:25:21,470 --> 01:25:18,600 and and my answer to that what do you 1998 01:25:24,410 --> 01:25:21,480 mean now we've got everything to talk 1999 01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:24,420 about I think it's I I agree with you 2000 01:25:29,870 --> 01:25:27,840 John it all just blows wide open it does 2001 01:25:32,450 --> 01:25:29,880 and it will bring the planet together 2002 01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:32,460 for sure I I want us to be a 2003 01:25:37,070 --> 01:25:35,040 space-faring planet big fan of Star Trek 2004 01:25:38,810 --> 01:25:37,080 and I want us to be a space-faring 2005 01:25:40,910 --> 01:25:38,820 planet and I'll just for all you Star 2006 01:25:43,729 --> 01:25:40,920 Trek fans out there the disclosure 2007 01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:43,739 episode the original series season 2 2008 01:25:50,510 --> 01:25:47,760 episode 26. it was called Gary 7. watch 2009 01:25:53,149 --> 01:25:50,520 that episode there is more disclosure in 2010 01:25:55,390 --> 01:25:53,159 that one episode than all the other Star 2011 01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:55,400 Treks combined since 2012 01:26:00,770 --> 01:25:58,080 that incorporates everything original 2013 01:26:04,010 --> 01:26:00,780 series episode 27. I'm gonna watch 2014 01:26:06,250 --> 01:26:04,020 episode uh season two episode 26 oh oh 2015 01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:06,260 season two okay 2016 01:26:12,350 --> 01:26:10,080 oh it's got everything it's got a uh 2017 01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:12,360 it's got uh non-human intelligences 2018 01:26:15,410 --> 01:26:14,159 picking up people from the earth taking 2019 01:26:18,350 --> 01:26:15,420 them somewhere bringing them back it's 2020 01:26:20,750 --> 01:26:18,360 got time travel it's got everything in 2021 01:26:23,629 --> 01:26:20,760 there and this also has that nuclear 2022 01:26:24,830 --> 01:26:23,639 reason why they're visiting us because I 2023 01:26:27,169 --> 01:26:24,840 won't give away the plot if you haven't 2024 01:26:29,149 --> 01:26:27,179 seen it but there's a nuclear aspect to 2025 01:26:31,129 --> 01:26:29,159 it I'm going to go back and watch it uh 2026 01:26:33,250 --> 01:26:31,139 tonight uh after the show okay now let's 2027 01:26:36,410 --> 01:26:33,260 get to 2028 01:26:38,750 --> 01:26:36,420 2027. yeah and and maybe you'll get 2029 01:26:42,050 --> 01:26:38,760 another text tonight after the show but 2030 01:26:45,290 --> 01:26:42,060 I hope not right yeah and I'll I'll say 2031 01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:45,300 this much um that year has come up 2032 01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:48,480 in a classified setting 2033 01:26:55,790 --> 01:26:51,840 in a skiff that I was in in Washington 2034 01:26:59,629 --> 01:26:55,800 DC I was asked John 2035 01:27:01,669 --> 01:26:59,639 what have you heard from about 2027 and 2036 01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:01,679 this phenomenon 2037 01:27:06,770 --> 01:27:03,600 and I go oh that's interesting you know 2038 01:27:09,229 --> 01:27:06,780 something about 2027. so 2039 01:27:11,629 --> 01:27:09,239 what I said was 2040 01:27:15,410 --> 01:27:11,639 I understand that experiences I've been 2041 01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:15,420 talking about 2026 2027 2042 01:27:18,169 --> 01:27:16,080 um 2043 01:27:20,450 --> 01:27:18,179 and they know that something might be 2044 01:27:23,810 --> 01:27:20,460 happening maybe it's that when I said 2045 01:27:26,570 --> 01:27:23,820 what I hope would happen is that by 2027 2046 01:27:28,010 --> 01:27:26,580 if all the disclosure happens that the 2047 01:27:31,729 --> 01:27:28,020 beings who are already here on the 2048 01:27:36,290 --> 01:27:31,739 planet will then find an opportunity to 2049 01:27:38,090 --> 01:27:36,300 arrive in some big big way that you 2050 01:27:40,729 --> 01:27:38,100 can't deny they're here you know it's 2051 01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:40,739 like that movie arrival that here they 2052 01:27:44,689 --> 01:27:42,239 are you know 2053 01:27:46,729 --> 01:27:44,699 here they are and so I hope that would 2054 01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:46,739 happen and that's what I said as my 2055 01:27:51,709 --> 01:27:49,199 opinion but the interesting thing is 2056 01:27:53,810 --> 01:27:51,719 that in this skiff 2057 01:27:57,649 --> 01:27:53,820 of the United States government the year 2058 01:28:00,590 --> 01:27:57,659 2027 came up in a question to me about 2059 01:28:02,209 --> 01:28:00,600 an event in their future 2060 01:28:03,770 --> 01:28:02,219 they didn't tell me what they thought 2061 01:28:06,110 --> 01:28:03,780 about it they asked me what I thought 2062 01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:06,120 about it and I gave them uh my thoughts 2063 01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:07,920 about it and you know that's been talked 2064 01:28:13,550 --> 01:28:10,560 about by other guests that you had 2065 01:28:17,629 --> 01:28:13,560 um I would I would share something that 2066 01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:17,639 I I recently got approval to share let's 2067 01:28:23,390 --> 01:28:20,639 go okay so you had a guest Anjali right 2068 01:28:27,590 --> 01:28:23,400 after she had her appearance at the 2069 01:28:29,149 --> 01:28:27,600 Lincoln Memorial I did back in 2021. now 2070 01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:29,159 a lot of people 2071 01:28:31,850 --> 01:28:30,000 um 2072 01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:31,860 said many things about Anjali they 2073 01:28:35,209 --> 01:28:33,600 thought she was an imposter or she was 2074 01:28:37,490 --> 01:28:35,219 disinformation you know one of us 2075 01:28:40,129 --> 01:28:37,500 disinformation quote unquote 2076 01:28:41,450 --> 01:28:40,139 um and I can say that you know you may 2077 01:28:43,790 --> 01:28:41,460 not know this 2078 01:28:45,950 --> 01:28:43,800 but actually was who she shared what she 2079 01:28:47,810 --> 01:28:45,960 was she was an officer in the defense 2080 01:28:49,850 --> 01:28:47,820 intelligence agency 2081 01:28:51,110 --> 01:28:49,860 and as you had her own as a guest I 2082 01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:51,120 don't know if she provided you with 2083 01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,000 bonifides but she sent me she sent me 2084 01:28:58,490 --> 01:28:56,400 all of her 2085 01:29:01,010 --> 01:28:58,500 I I don't want to get yeah you don't 2086 01:29:03,129 --> 01:29:01,020 have to but but you you were convinced 2087 01:29:07,850 --> 01:29:03,139 right you were convinced that she said 2088 01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:07,860 she sent me to Too Much paperwork okay 2089 01:29:12,169 --> 01:29:10,080 that's a good sign that's what we 2090 01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:12,179 government people do we we inundate you 2091 01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:15,840 with paperwork yes um her ID cards and 2092 01:29:21,169 --> 01:29:18,480 everything else right well you did you 2093 01:29:23,870 --> 01:29:21,179 know that Anjali was interviewed by 2094 01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:23,880 government UAP investigators 2095 01:29:30,169 --> 01:29:28,560 but I did not yes and also did you know 2096 01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:30,179 that um 2097 01:29:35,390 --> 01:29:34,080 the reason for doing so was to figure 2098 01:29:37,930 --> 01:29:35,400 out a way 2099 01:29:41,149 --> 01:29:37,940 to preserve evidence or documentation 2100 01:29:43,070 --> 01:29:41,159 from this journey into the cave which 2101 01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:43,080 the government knew about 2102 01:29:48,350 --> 01:29:45,600 and they wanted a chain of custody for 2103 01:29:50,570 --> 01:29:48,360 any information or any documentation any 2104 01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:50,580 evidence in that cave 2105 01:29:57,050 --> 01:29:52,320 for a customer 2106 01:29:59,209 --> 01:29:57,060 and that customer was the UAP task force 2107 01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:59,219 and so people who say things about 2108 01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:01,679 Anjali you might not take her seriously 2109 01:30:05,629 --> 01:30:03,840 but I do because I know that the 2110 01:30:08,030 --> 01:30:05,639 government takes her seriously and when 2111 01:30:10,910 --> 01:30:08,040 she described her contact with the beans 2112 01:30:12,530 --> 01:30:10,920 that she described as mantis beings you 2113 01:30:14,810 --> 01:30:12,540 know that resonated with people 2114 01:30:16,910 --> 01:30:14,820 and when people have experiences the 2115 01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:16,920 government shows up look at Chris 2116 01:30:22,129 --> 01:30:18,960 Bledsoe you interview Chris Bledsoe 2117 01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:22,139 there's a guy who was like uh had a 2118 01:30:25,310 --> 01:30:23,760 construction business in Fayetteville 2119 01:30:27,770 --> 01:30:25,320 North Carolina right outside of 2120 01:30:29,270 --> 01:30:27,780 Fayetteville just an ordinary guy and he 2121 01:30:31,010 --> 01:30:29,280 had this experience and he related 2122 01:30:32,930 --> 01:30:31,020 experience but something about what he 2123 01:30:35,930 --> 01:30:32,940 said resonated with the government 2124 01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:35,940 people working the UAP issue 2125 01:30:40,010 --> 01:30:37,679 and so all of a sudden they're knocking 2126 01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:40,020 on his door NASA guy came Jim Simmy 2127 01:30:44,750 --> 01:30:42,480 Vamps and CIA came other people came 2128 01:30:46,970 --> 01:30:44,760 from the three-letter agencies because 2129 01:30:50,689 --> 01:30:46,980 they took him seriously especially when 2130 01:30:52,970 --> 01:30:50,699 he reported the woman in white right so 2131 01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:52,980 my friend Mick who you signed a shirt 2132 01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:56,400 for I did back in early 2000s he told me 2133 01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:58,800 that he had a visitation from the woman 2134 01:31:02,689 --> 01:31:01,199 in white the lady in white he told me 2135 01:31:05,090 --> 01:31:02,699 this long before anybody knew about 2136 01:31:05,930 --> 01:31:05,100 Chris Bledsoe and he said she had a 2137 01:31:10,970 --> 01:31:05,940 message 2138 01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:10,980 the sky about signs in the moon and it's 2139 01:31:15,770 --> 01:31:13,199 it's more like you know not necessarily 2140 01:31:17,689 --> 01:31:15,780 a warning or dire warning but we need to 2141 01:31:19,970 --> 01:31:17,699 take care of this planet a lot better 2142 01:31:22,490 --> 01:31:19,980 and that is The Core theme that 2143 01:31:24,290 --> 01:31:22,500 experiences will relate to you that when 2144 01:31:26,030 --> 01:31:24,300 they contact these non-human 2145 01:31:28,430 --> 01:31:26,040 intelligences through their experiences 2146 01:31:30,110 --> 01:31:28,440 that's the message that we need to take 2147 01:31:32,030 --> 01:31:30,120 care of the planet and to the 2148 01:31:33,890 --> 01:31:32,040 governments it's this 2149 01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:33,900 you're not taking care of the planet if 2150 01:31:37,490 --> 01:31:36,000 you have nuclear weapons 2151 01:31:38,810 --> 01:31:37,500 and we're going to show you we're going 2152 01:31:41,450 --> 01:31:38,820 to demonstrate to you that we can shut 2153 01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:41,460 them all down so why have them 2154 01:31:46,310 --> 01:31:44,400 and so that's a major part of disclosure 2155 01:31:48,530 --> 01:31:46,320 too that's a benefit of the disclosure 2156 01:31:50,689 --> 01:31:48,540 is to finally come to terms with our 2157 01:31:53,149 --> 01:31:50,699 stewardship of the planet and I hope 2158 01:31:54,590 --> 01:31:53,159 that's where we all go is that we've got 2159 01:31:56,030 --> 01:31:54,600 to take care of the earth a lot better 2160 01:31:57,890 --> 01:31:56,040 than what we're doing now we're doing a 2161 01:31:59,990 --> 01:31:57,900 terrible job of it and I think it's 2162 01:32:02,090 --> 01:32:00,000 because they share the planet with us 2163 01:32:04,970 --> 01:32:02,100 and they've probably shared it longer 2164 01:32:06,709 --> 01:32:04,980 before we arrived yeah for sure yeah for 2165 01:32:08,570 --> 01:32:06,719 sure so look what we've done and they 2166 01:32:11,030 --> 01:32:08,580 give us free will I think we're they 2167 01:32:13,129 --> 01:32:11,040 consider us their children they give us 2168 01:32:15,530 --> 01:32:13,139 free will like any good parent you don't 2169 01:32:17,629 --> 01:32:15,540 want to you know be dictatorial to your 2170 01:32:19,250 --> 01:32:17,639 children you want them to learn but when 2171 01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:19,260 they find their matches and they start 2172 01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:20,880 striking them playing with the cigarette 2173 01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:23,040 lighter in the house uh you slap their 2174 01:32:26,390 --> 01:32:24,960 hands and that cigarette lighter is 2175 01:32:28,370 --> 01:32:26,400 nuclear weapons and they slapped our 2176 01:32:29,990 --> 01:32:28,380 hands saying no that's where you can't 2177 01:32:43,790 --> 01:32:30,000 go 2178 01:32:46,430 --> 01:32:43,800 specifically about sensor data or 2179 01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:46,440 techniques and and methods there's no 2180 01:32:51,169 --> 01:32:48,480 reason to go there and I'm certainly not 2181 01:32:53,810 --> 01:32:51,179 gonna uh get you into any trouble but I 2182 01:32:58,010 --> 01:32:53,820 will talk about Imaging 2183 01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:58,020 um have you now you've seen what is out 2184 01:33:04,510 --> 01:32:59,520 there in the public 2185 01:33:07,550 --> 01:33:04,520 you've seen that have you seen Imaging 2186 01:33:11,570 --> 01:33:07,560 while at the CIA 2187 01:33:13,729 --> 01:33:11,580 that was the real deal yeah 2188 01:33:16,490 --> 01:33:13,739 yeah that's the orbs that's the orbs the 2189 01:33:19,850 --> 01:33:16,500 warp working group continue 2190 01:33:22,010 --> 01:33:19,860 um what they had were images of orbs and 2191 01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:22,020 um it's not any different because it's a 2192 01:33:26,590 --> 01:33:24,000 light orb it's any different from what 2193 01:33:28,669 --> 01:33:26,600 people see uh visually from the ground 2194 01:33:31,129 --> 01:33:28,679 it's a 2195 01:33:34,189 --> 01:33:31,139 orb of orange light 2196 01:33:36,410 --> 01:33:34,199 and that's what we see up in space the 2197 01:33:44,890 --> 01:33:36,420 same type of image it doesn't seem to 2198 01:33:54,590 --> 01:33:48,910 there are you suggesting 2199 01:33:59,149 --> 01:33:54,600 that the orbs are an energy 2200 01:34:02,510 --> 01:33:59,159 and not of the physical 2201 01:34:04,490 --> 01:34:02,520 well like nuts and bolts rivets it's not 2202 01:34:06,590 --> 01:34:04,500 what we call it's physical but it's not 2203 01:34:10,669 --> 01:34:06,600 structured craft 2204 01:34:13,010 --> 01:34:10,679 I don't think it's like um one of the 2205 01:34:16,490 --> 01:34:13,020 many classic shapes that people have 2206 01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:16,500 seen UFOs in uh it is a manifestation of 2207 01:34:20,330 --> 01:34:18,719 some kind of energy right and my 2208 01:34:23,209 --> 01:34:20,340 personal experience is that is the 2209 01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:23,219 manifestation of conscious energy of the 2210 01:34:26,930 --> 01:34:24,719 non-human intelligence Consciousness 2211 01:34:29,270 --> 01:34:26,940 because when I saw an orb it 2212 01:34:30,830 --> 01:34:29,280 communicated with me and other people 2213 01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:30,840 have seen orbs they communicated with 2214 01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:35,040 them how how clear were these pictures 2215 01:34:40,129 --> 01:34:36,239 um it was 2216 01:34:41,990 --> 01:34:40,139 Orange ball well I mean it's no 2217 01:34:45,950 --> 01:34:42,000 different I mean it's not like you know 2218 01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:45,960 you you draw an orange light orb and it 2219 01:34:51,169 --> 01:34:48,719 there's no structure to it so it doesn't 2220 01:34:53,810 --> 01:34:51,179 matter if it's like detailed or not 2221 01:34:56,330 --> 01:34:53,820 detailed it was an orange orb it was 2222 01:34:58,910 --> 01:34:56,340 well what I'm referring to John and I'm 2223 01:35:02,990 --> 01:34:58,920 not being Cavalier at all but what I'm 2224 01:35:05,450 --> 01:35:03,000 referring to is when you look at uh the 2225 01:35:07,729 --> 01:35:05,460 the flear Imaging or you look at the Tic 2226 01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:07,739 Tac video that could be anything it's 2227 01:35:13,070 --> 01:35:10,560 blurry it's second third fourth 2228 01:35:16,129 --> 01:35:13,080 generation shot on a cell phone off of a 2229 01:35:19,610 --> 01:35:16,139 screen or you know it's not high to 2230 01:35:21,649 --> 01:35:19,620 um uh the the other Imaging that that we 2231 01:35:25,850 --> 01:35:21,659 have seen even like the go fast you know 2232 01:35:28,850 --> 01:35:25,860 yeah it's crap right so that's what I'm 2233 01:35:32,750 --> 01:35:28,860 asking you is yeah I mean look at that 2234 01:35:34,970 --> 01:35:32,760 image it was an image it was an image of 2235 01:35:38,330 --> 01:35:34,980 an orange ball of light 2236 01:35:40,910 --> 01:35:38,340 and I've seen personally not through CIA 2237 01:35:41,870 --> 01:35:40,920 but personally outside of an uh airplane 2238 01:35:44,209 --> 01:35:41,880 window 2239 01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:44,219 from a flight from Baltimore Washington 2240 01:35:51,169 --> 01:35:47,760 International to uh I guess LAX 2241 01:35:54,290 --> 01:35:51,179 um we're flying over the south west and 2242 01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:54,300 outside the right side window I saw 2243 01:36:00,169 --> 01:35:57,360 an orange orb also and that orange orb 2244 01:36:01,790 --> 01:36:00,179 was noted by the cockpit and they 2245 01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:01,800 actually I was monitoring United 2246 01:36:07,250 --> 01:36:04,560 Airlines back then on a certain channel 2247 01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:07,260 uh you can actually hear the air traffic 2248 01:36:12,350 --> 01:36:10,080 control talking to the cockpit back in 2249 01:36:13,790 --> 01:36:12,360 the day before 9 11. and so I was 2250 01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:13,800 monitoring that because I'm such an 2251 01:36:19,310 --> 01:36:17,280 aircraft geek I love that and so the 2252 01:36:22,129 --> 01:36:19,320 pilot or co-pilot reported to the ground 2253 01:36:23,990 --> 01:36:22,139 now there's an object that's uh crossing 2254 01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:24,000 my path from left to right 2255 01:36:28,490 --> 01:36:26,880 and do you have it on radar and and the 2256 01:36:31,550 --> 01:36:28,500 guy said no we don't we don't have 2257 01:36:34,189 --> 01:36:31,560 anything and it's not uh now past us and 2258 01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:34,199 it's going to my right and the guy on 2259 01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:35,520 the ground says you want to report it 2260 01:36:43,250 --> 01:36:36,480 and 2261 01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:43,260 orange form you know what's interesting 2262 01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:44,639 about that 2263 01:36:50,649 --> 01:36:47,520 what is that's uh where the Nimitz 2264 01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:54,890 Southwest of LAX is Catalina Island oh 2265 01:37:00,350 --> 01:36:56,400 no I was in the southwest of United 2266 01:37:05,110 --> 01:37:00,360 States Oh I thought you said LAX LAX uh 2267 01:37:08,570 --> 01:37:05,120 we were it's BWI to LAX was the uh trip 2268 01:37:11,330 --> 01:37:08,580 and on that flight path we were over the 2269 01:37:13,790 --> 01:37:11,340 Southwest United States oh gotcha and 2270 01:37:15,169 --> 01:37:13,800 the north of us or probably Nevada you 2271 01:37:18,169 --> 01:37:15,179 know everything is kind of strange in 2272 01:37:20,689 --> 01:37:18,179 Nevada right and uh 2273 01:37:23,390 --> 01:37:20,699 I you know one of the things that uh 2274 01:37:25,790 --> 01:37:23,400 that I I think I can say oh sure I'll 2275 01:37:27,290 --> 01:37:25,800 say it I'll I'll get the phone call 2276 01:37:31,129 --> 01:37:27,300 um you know I I think one of the things 2277 01:37:34,370 --> 01:37:31,139 that uh was not talked about was 2278 01:37:36,110 --> 01:37:34,380 um like the appearance of these craft 2279 01:37:37,370 --> 01:37:36,120 from the Arctic Circle going to the 2280 01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:37,380 Antarctic 2281 01:37:44,030 --> 01:37:40,560 Pole to pull right right and sometimes 2282 01:37:46,370 --> 01:37:44,040 they would peel off and so you have two 2283 01:37:49,070 --> 01:37:46,380 coming down from the north going to the 2284 01:37:52,010 --> 01:37:49,080 South Pole and one would continue and 2285 01:37:53,689 --> 01:37:52,020 the other will peel off toward Nevada 2286 01:37:55,189 --> 01:37:53,699 and the other one keep going into the 2287 01:37:57,290 --> 01:37:55,199 Antarctic 2288 01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:57,300 and so 2289 01:38:02,570 --> 01:38:00,239 I would say you know that 2290 01:38:05,570 --> 01:38:02,580 that's probably something that's within 2291 01:38:08,030 --> 01:38:05,580 the Holdings of Arrow because I think 2292 01:38:10,850 --> 01:38:08,040 that happened uh under the purview of 2293 01:38:14,090 --> 01:38:10,860 the AP task force they looked at 2004 to 2294 01:38:17,209 --> 01:38:14,100 2021 and so I won't say when it happened 2295 01:38:19,930 --> 01:38:17,219 but it was between 2004 Tic Tac in 2021 2296 01:38:23,870 --> 01:38:19,940 when the report came out one of the 144 2297 01:38:27,470 --> 01:38:23,880 which three we know is uh go fast gimbal 2298 01:38:30,229 --> 01:38:27,480 Tic Tac one was a balloon and and one of 2299 01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:30,239 the 140 must have been uh or two of the 2300 01:38:35,870 --> 01:38:33,360 140 must have been these objects that uh 2301 01:38:38,689 --> 01:38:35,880 I think NORAD knew about 2302 01:38:42,110 --> 01:38:38,699 and so going back to Kirkpatrick's uh 2303 01:38:43,729 --> 01:38:42,120 you know briefing Our Testimony in front 2304 01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:43,739 of the senate committee 2305 01:38:47,930 --> 01:38:45,840 um they they have a lot of data and that 2306 01:38:49,129 --> 01:38:47,940 goes into the chi that's interesting 2307 01:38:52,370 --> 01:38:49,139 data 2308 01:38:57,590 --> 01:38:52,380 you know if we go back uh you mentioned 2309 01:38:59,930 --> 01:38:57,600 Chris Bledsoe and uh before that uh Tom 2310 01:39:02,209 --> 01:38:59,940 Delong only did a couple of of 2311 01:39:05,689 --> 01:39:02,219 interviews one of them was here on Fade 2312 01:39:09,410 --> 01:39:05,699 to Black and and I'm so glad we did that 2313 01:39:12,050 --> 01:39:09,420 interview it was probably 2016. 2314 01:39:13,870 --> 01:39:12,060 um uh right in that area uh might have 2315 01:39:17,870 --> 01:39:13,880 been 2017. 2316 01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:17,880 but one of the things that Delong said 2317 01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:21,840 uh in that interview it's as stayed with 2318 01:39:27,709 --> 01:39:25,199 me over the years and he said you got to 2319 01:39:30,050 --> 01:39:27,719 be careful about who you're reaching out 2320 01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:30,060 to consciously when you see something in 2321 01:39:36,169 --> 01:39:33,840 the sky you don't know who they are or 2322 01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:36,179 what what you know what they're about 2323 01:39:42,770 --> 01:39:39,600 you need to be very careful and he said 2324 01:39:45,729 --> 01:39:42,780 it could be and now he added this 2325 01:39:49,070 --> 01:39:45,739 religious context to it 2326 01:39:51,850 --> 01:39:49,080 and and then Chris Bledsoe comes along 2327 01:39:55,729 --> 01:39:51,860 long again orange orbs right 2328 01:39:58,209 --> 01:39:55,739 and and and brings in this question uh 2329 01:40:02,750 --> 01:39:58,219 his new book you were full of God 2330 01:40:05,090 --> 01:40:02,760 all right and and Delong and and Chris 2331 01:40:08,930 --> 01:40:05,100 um and others and we talk about Diana 2332 01:40:12,290 --> 01:40:08,940 pasoka too as well and others that um 2333 01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:12,300 say that inside of the agencies inside 2334 01:40:17,930 --> 01:40:13,920 of the Beltway inside of the Department 2335 01:40:22,010 --> 01:40:17,940 of Defense there is a large chunk of 2336 01:40:24,370 --> 01:40:22,020 those that feel that this is a religious 2337 01:40:28,010 --> 01:40:24,380 thing this could even be demonic 2338 01:40:31,370 --> 01:40:28,020 something with a bad intention yeah when 2339 01:40:34,030 --> 01:40:31,380 you hear that and you know about Bledsoe 2340 01:40:37,070 --> 01:40:34,040 and certainly Tom DeLonge and and others 2341 01:40:39,770 --> 01:40:37,080 what do you have to say I would say that 2342 01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:39,780 uh first of all um they were given the 2343 01:40:44,030 --> 01:40:42,719 moniker Collins Elite you probably heard 2344 01:40:45,530 --> 01:40:44,040 that I don't know of course what they 2345 01:40:49,129 --> 01:40:45,540 call themselves 2346 01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:49,139 um I do know that they're Walser is a 2347 01:40:54,410 --> 01:40:50,880 group of individuals 2348 01:40:55,790 --> 01:40:54,420 who are extremely religious and not to 2349 01:40:58,669 --> 01:40:55,800 disparage anyone's religion but they're 2350 01:41:01,250 --> 01:40:58,679 it's a heartfelt belief that what we are 2351 01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:01,260 witnessing is a manifestation of satanic 2352 01:41:05,629 --> 01:41:02,639 forces 2353 01:41:06,590 --> 01:41:05,639 I don't have to happen to ascribe to 2354 01:41:12,590 --> 01:41:06,600 that 2355 01:41:13,970 --> 01:41:12,600 is it strange yes I I think it's like 2356 01:41:17,209 --> 01:41:13,980 strange 2357 01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:17,219 uh they're like manifestations of what 2358 01:41:20,570 --> 01:41:18,960 some people call the trickster element 2359 01:41:22,430 --> 01:41:20,580 in all of this 2360 01:41:25,970 --> 01:41:22,440 that you know they may disguise 2361 01:41:27,890 --> 01:41:25,980 themselves as something and not be that 2362 01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:27,900 um and some people believe that you know 2363 01:41:32,330 --> 01:41:30,480 the Mantis beings or the reptilians or 2364 01:41:34,850 --> 01:41:32,340 like tricksters and the ones that look 2365 01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:34,860 like us are are cool you know they're 2366 01:41:38,330 --> 01:41:36,480 fine it could be the other way around 2367 01:41:39,709 --> 01:41:38,340 you don't know because of the trickster 2368 01:41:41,629 --> 01:41:39,719 element you don't know who's walking 2369 01:41:45,129 --> 01:41:41,639 through that door 2370 01:41:48,350 --> 01:41:45,139 um I would say this that um 2371 01:41:50,930 --> 01:41:48,360 there there has been a warning provided 2372 01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:50,940 to the US government not to go to the 2373 01:41:53,870 --> 01:41:52,560 dark side The Far Side of the Moon the 2374 01:41:55,609 --> 01:41:53,880 Dark Side of the Moon 2375 01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:55,619 that stay away 2376 01:41:59,629 --> 01:41:57,600 from that dark side and when remote 2377 01:42:01,250 --> 01:41:59,639 viewers try to 2378 01:42:04,970 --> 01:42:01,260 remote view the Dark Side of the Moon 2379 01:42:07,490 --> 01:42:04,980 they encounter these these beings who 2380 01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:07,500 warn them don't do not ever come back 2381 01:42:12,850 --> 01:42:09,840 again and then the remote viewer will 2382 01:42:15,229 --> 01:42:12,860 report that say yes encounter these 2383 01:42:16,609 --> 01:42:15,239 non-human intelligences and they said do 2384 01:42:18,950 --> 01:42:16,619 not come to The Far Side of the Moon 2385 01:42:20,689 --> 01:42:18,960 ever again 2386 01:42:22,430 --> 01:42:20,699 um and so there's that 2387 01:42:26,810 --> 01:42:22,440 what happened you know what happened 2388 01:42:29,090 --> 01:42:26,820 today what happened Japan tried to land 2389 01:42:31,609 --> 01:42:29,100 on the far side of the moon oh did they 2390 01:42:32,330 --> 01:42:31,619 make it nope nope you know who did make 2391 01:42:36,410 --> 01:42:32,340 it 2392 01:42:38,530 --> 01:42:36,420 China China and yeah and China check 2393 01:42:42,590 --> 01:42:38,540 this out they're Rover 2394 01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:42,600 is now inactive uh-huh they say it's 2395 01:42:45,310 --> 01:42:44,400 covered in Moon dust and it won't run 2396 01:42:48,169 --> 01:42:45,320 anymore 2397 01:42:49,609 --> 01:42:48,179 that's their story their stuff yeah it's 2398 01:42:53,209 --> 01:42:49,619 been it's been working for quite some 2399 01:42:57,410 --> 01:42:53,219 time and so I don't know about a year uh 2400 01:43:01,370 --> 01:42:57,420 Israel tried to land there uh uh they 2401 01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:01,380 crashed uh as well but I've always found 2402 01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:04,080 that uh pretty compelling all right yeah 2403 01:43:08,570 --> 01:43:06,000 yeah on that side of the moon since the 2404 01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:08,580 moon doesn't rotate and it's the same it 2405 01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:10,800 does rotate but the same face is always 2406 01:43:14,450 --> 01:43:13,199 there so that's the side we see 2407 01:43:15,410 --> 01:43:14,460 um you know if you go on the Dark Side 2408 01:43:17,330 --> 01:43:15,420 of the Moon 2409 01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:17,340 um you know you need to communicate to 2410 01:43:20,209 --> 01:43:18,480 Earth and you're not going to be able to 2411 01:43:22,910 --> 01:43:20,219 do it no you're not going to be able to 2412 01:43:26,450 --> 01:43:22,920 do it and and it's only the Dark Side of 2413 01:43:29,149 --> 01:43:26,460 the Moon uh half of the day it's lit up 2414 01:43:30,890 --> 01:43:29,159 just like anything else the other half 2415 01:43:34,189 --> 01:43:30,900 of the day most people don't understand 2416 01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:34,199 that right that's correct it's only dark 2417 01:43:38,750 --> 01:43:36,239 to us it's only dark because we can't 2418 01:43:41,270 --> 01:43:38,760 see it uh but when we have the new moon 2419 01:43:43,250 --> 01:43:41,280 up when it's dark the side we do see is 2420 01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:43,260 dark we don't we don't the other side is 2421 01:43:50,030 --> 01:43:46,560 lit uh so there's that and you know I 2422 01:43:53,570 --> 01:43:50,040 I would say you know beware of of who 2423 01:43:55,490 --> 01:43:53,580 you who you communicate with why do you 2424 01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:55,500 think uh in the short time that we have 2425 01:43:59,390 --> 01:43:57,360 left excellent conversation tonight John 2426 01:44:02,270 --> 01:43:59,400 by the way excellent yeah I'm enjoying 2427 01:44:04,669 --> 01:44:02,280 it it's so much fun so much fun 2428 01:44:09,530 --> 01:44:04,679 um and by the way you can send my CIA 2429 01:44:13,970 --> 01:44:09,540 t-shirt uh you need to sign it though 2430 01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:13,980 um is is this with um uh there seems to 2431 01:44:23,050 --> 01:44:17,840 be a switch that has been flipped 2432 01:44:26,270 --> 01:44:23,060 and and I bring that up because the CIA 2433 01:44:29,649 --> 01:44:26,280 has their entertainment division 2434 01:44:33,530 --> 01:44:29,659 they liaison with Hollywood 2435 01:44:36,530 --> 01:44:33,540 this is go to the CIA website and and 2436 01:44:39,229 --> 01:44:36,540 look it up I have uh many times because 2437 01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:39,239 it's very interesting reading 2438 01:44:43,729 --> 01:44:41,280 um everything from scripts and story 2439 01:44:46,490 --> 01:44:43,739 ideas omissions maybe you need to remove 2440 01:44:48,530 --> 01:44:46,500 something maybe you need to add 2441 01:44:51,169 --> 01:44:48,540 something can we suggest 2442 01:44:52,970 --> 01:44:51,179 um so there is all of that yeah and then 2443 01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:52,980 at the same time 2444 01:45:02,330 --> 01:44:58,159 uh the media uh at all all of it 2445 01:45:04,129 --> 01:45:02,340 suddenly is is free to discuss this uh 2446 01:45:06,890 --> 01:45:04,139 very important subject where it wasn't 2447 01:45:09,669 --> 01:45:06,900 like this in the past right who has 2448 01:45:13,070 --> 01:45:09,679 flipped this switch why is it now okay 2449 01:45:14,689 --> 01:45:13,080 uh for the media to to go at this hard 2450 01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:14,699 and heavy 2451 01:45:18,950 --> 01:45:16,800 um the media could have done it all the 2452 01:45:21,530 --> 01:45:18,960 time I think in the past 2453 01:45:23,390 --> 01:45:21,540 um the May of kowtow to the intelligence 2454 01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:23,400 Community because 2455 01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:25,920 they want access to other things you 2456 01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:27,600 know because you know as you know as a 2457 01:45:30,290 --> 01:45:29,040 journalist you get deep background 2458 01:45:33,470 --> 01:45:30,300 information 2459 01:45:36,109 --> 01:45:33,480 uh that will help you do your work as a 2460 01:45:37,910 --> 01:45:36,119 journalist to get stuff that's in the 2461 01:45:39,649 --> 01:45:37,920 open so they tell you stuff in a deep 2462 01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:39,659 background so this is what's really 2463 01:45:43,370 --> 01:45:41,520 going on and then you're clued into okay 2464 01:45:46,729 --> 01:45:43,380 I know what sources to go to in the open 2465 01:45:48,830 --> 01:45:46,739 source they don't want that to stop 2466 01:45:51,530 --> 01:45:48,840 um as a as a correspondent you know you 2467 01:45:53,390 --> 01:45:51,540 don't want that channel to stop at all 2468 01:45:54,950 --> 01:45:53,400 to dry out 2469 01:45:56,990 --> 01:45:54,960 um and so I think that's that was The 2470 01:45:59,649 --> 01:45:57,000 Leverage that the government had on 2471 01:46:03,169 --> 01:45:59,659 these journalists but now you know now 2472 01:46:05,330 --> 01:46:03,179 because we want this out in the open uh 2473 01:46:06,830 --> 01:46:05,340 it's everything is fair game I think 2474 01:46:08,330 --> 01:46:06,840 everything's fair game and I think 2475 01:46:13,070 --> 01:46:08,340 that's that's the switch that was thrown 2476 01:46:14,570 --> 01:46:13,080 was help by the fact that in 2017 uh the 2477 01:46:16,729 --> 01:46:14,580 New York Times published that the 2478 01:46:18,350 --> 01:46:16,739 Pentagon had this so-called secret UFO 2479 01:46:20,270 --> 01:46:18,360 study group 2480 01:46:23,570 --> 01:46:20,280 um and that's been in operation since 2481 01:46:25,729 --> 01:46:23,580 like 2007-2008. 2482 01:46:27,290 --> 01:46:25,739 um that went a long way and the release 2483 01:46:30,169 --> 01:46:27,300 of those three videos 2484 01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:30,179 and so now you have people who feel more 2485 01:46:33,950 --> 01:46:32,400 comfortable coming forward and so you 2486 01:46:37,310 --> 01:46:33,960 have me you have others you have Jim 2487 01:46:39,109 --> 01:46:37,320 Simi van who went to ttsa uh you have 2488 01:46:41,330 --> 01:46:39,119 Louisana doing his thing Chris Mullen 2489 01:46:42,649 --> 01:46:41,340 and many many others who are coming 2490 01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:42,659 forward and say well I don't know 2491 01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:45,360 everything and I don't know everything 2492 01:46:50,209 --> 01:46:47,040 but I won't make up anything I don't 2493 01:46:51,890 --> 01:46:50,219 know if I don't know it I don't know it 2494 01:46:53,209 --> 01:46:51,900 um but we're coming forward with what we 2495 01:46:55,910 --> 01:46:53,219 do know 2496 01:46:57,770 --> 01:46:55,920 um in these different types of ways 2497 01:47:00,109 --> 01:46:57,780 there's venues like Fade to Black where 2498 01:47:01,550 --> 01:47:00,119 we can share with your audience what we 2499 01:47:04,430 --> 01:47:01,560 know 2500 01:47:07,970 --> 01:47:04,440 um and so that switch was like it's time 2501 01:47:10,189 --> 01:47:07,980 to share I mean it's why have this 2502 01:47:11,390 --> 01:47:10,199 Monopoly over this information what good 2503 01:47:13,790 --> 01:47:11,400 is it doing 2504 01:47:16,070 --> 01:47:13,800 the Air Force can't make what it built 2505 01:47:18,290 --> 01:47:16,080 fly any higher any faster 2506 01:47:20,810 --> 01:47:18,300 and stay any more hidden than it is now 2507 01:47:23,090 --> 01:47:20,820 they're hit a roadblock the brick wall 2508 01:47:25,490 --> 01:47:23,100 because the people who worked on these 2509 01:47:28,430 --> 01:47:25,500 projects they're stove piped and as Dr 2510 01:47:30,290 --> 01:47:28,440 Eric Davis said that you know if you're 2511 01:47:32,570 --> 01:47:30,300 in a team and you hit a stovepipe and 2512 01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:32,580 you hit you hit a brick wall 2513 01:47:36,470 --> 01:47:34,320 and you're in a stovepipe you can't go 2514 01:47:38,990 --> 01:47:36,480 to another group to say help me out 2515 01:47:41,629 --> 01:47:39,000 because you don't know that group exists 2516 01:47:43,250 --> 01:47:41,639 so if you're done you're done and so 2517 01:47:45,950 --> 01:47:43,260 there's there's that you know there's 2518 01:47:46,490 --> 01:47:45,960 just no sharing but now there is 2519 01:47:48,410 --> 01:47:46,500 um 2520 01:47:50,149 --> 01:47:48,420 why keep it secret there's nothing 2521 01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:50,159 secret about 2522 01:47:54,590 --> 01:47:52,159 this at all 2523 01:47:56,810 --> 01:47:54,600 it's secret I don't know why it's 2524 01:47:59,149 --> 01:47:56,820 classified other than we're classifying 2525 01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:59,159 what we derived from the technology but 2526 01:48:04,250 --> 01:48:00,960 why is the technology itself secret it 2527 01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:04,260 belongs to everyone on the planet any 2528 01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:06,480 government but but that's exactly the 2529 01:48:14,450 --> 01:48:11,520 point so if if the the Line in the Sand 2530 01:48:17,810 --> 01:48:14,460 is crossed right this little nugget like 2531 01:48:21,050 --> 01:48:17,820 you said it only has to be this simple 2532 01:48:22,430 --> 01:48:21,060 right it is happening now let's take it 2533 01:48:25,250 --> 01:48:22,440 a step further and figure out the who 2534 01:48:27,250 --> 01:48:25,260 what when where and why yeah so if that 2535 01:48:31,070 --> 01:48:27,260 line of the Santa's crossed 2536 01:48:35,450 --> 01:48:31,080 do you know something will you then come 2537 01:48:39,050 --> 01:48:37,430 call me up on the phone I'm absolutely 2538 01:48:41,810 --> 01:48:39,060 ready to step forward 2539 01:48:45,169 --> 01:48:41,820 uh and and do whatever I can 2540 01:48:47,770 --> 01:48:45,179 uh if in a more official capacity 2541 01:48:51,410 --> 01:48:47,780 um to bring this to light I am 2542 01:48:53,270 --> 01:48:51,420 ready and willing to do so and if I'm 2543 01:48:54,530 --> 01:48:53,280 able to talk more about things that I 2544 01:48:56,689 --> 01:48:54,540 couldn't talk about with you for example 2545 01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:56,699 tonight right um and if they allow me to 2546 01:49:02,930 --> 01:48:58,560 I'm going to tell them anything I can 2547 01:49:05,810 --> 01:49:02,940 because it's so important for us as the 2548 01:49:07,609 --> 01:49:05,820 people of Earth to understand our role 2549 01:49:10,910 --> 01:49:07,619 on this planet 2550 01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:10,920 and the possibility that if we come 2551 01:49:15,470 --> 01:49:12,719 together as a planet and stop fighting 2552 01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:15,480 these little Tribal wars right they 2553 01:49:19,129 --> 01:49:17,280 probably think we're so primitive we're 2554 01:49:20,510 --> 01:49:19,139 fighting amongst ourselves look at these 2555 01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:20,520 guys you know they're fighting amongst 2556 01:49:23,870 --> 01:49:22,320 themselves and you're going to blow each 2557 01:49:26,629 --> 01:49:23,880 other up with these nuclear weapons 2558 01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:26,639 would get past that and then we can join 2559 01:49:31,850 --> 01:49:29,520 them as a space-faring planet 2560 01:49:34,430 --> 01:49:31,860 go out there and explore the universe 2561 01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:34,440 and then bring technologies that help 2562 01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:36,719 people on this planet not the 2563 01:49:40,010 --> 01:49:38,400 military-industrial complex I don't want 2564 01:49:42,410 --> 01:49:40,020 to help them because they're just going 2565 01:49:44,149 --> 01:49:42,420 to like figure out a way to weaponize 2566 01:49:45,890 --> 01:49:44,159 everything that's their mindset let's 2567 01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:45,900 make it a weapon and make it better than 2568 01:49:48,830 --> 01:49:47,520 the other guy's weapon I don't want that 2569 01:49:53,030 --> 01:49:48,840 I'm sick of that 2570 01:49:56,990 --> 01:49:53,040 I want us to go forward and progress as 2571 01:49:58,910 --> 01:49:57,000 humans of this planet Earth together so 2572 01:50:02,149 --> 01:49:58,920 that we can become a space-faring nation 2573 01:50:03,709 --> 01:50:02,159 and explore the rest of the universe and 2574 01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:03,719 bring 2575 01:50:07,010 --> 01:50:06,239 Technologies back to Earth that can help 2576 01:50:10,669 --> 01:50:07,020 us 2577 01:50:13,490 --> 01:50:10,679 with climate with air pollution with you 2578 01:50:16,669 --> 01:50:13,500 know everything even like cures for 2579 01:50:17,930 --> 01:50:16,679 diseases if not yeah sure sure you know 2580 01:50:19,850 --> 01:50:17,940 everything like that so I think that's 2581 01:50:23,149 --> 01:50:19,860 that's the goal we should have and I 2582 01:50:25,970 --> 01:50:23,159 don't want like any particular flag 2583 01:50:27,530 --> 01:50:25,980 to be planted claiming that as a 2584 01:50:30,770 --> 01:50:27,540 monopoly 2585 01:50:33,050 --> 01:50:30,780 are you are you protected uh by the 2586 01:50:35,570 --> 01:50:33,060 Amendments do you feel I feel very 2587 01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,580 protected absolutely uh the legislation 2588 01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:38,400 in the AAA yes absolutely 2589 01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:40,560 um and that's why I'm a little more bold 2590 01:50:45,649 --> 01:50:42,480 in what I reveal 2591 01:50:47,209 --> 01:50:45,659 uh than I did when uh in 2021 when I 2592 01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:47,219 didn't think the legislation was strong 2593 01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:49,440 enough it is not strong enough that I 2594 01:50:55,970 --> 01:50:53,280 feel very much protected I know that 2595 01:50:58,370 --> 01:50:55,980 um the the people's House of 2596 01:50:59,149 --> 01:50:58,380 Representatives and the Senate have my 2597 01:51:01,250 --> 01:50:59,159 back 2598 01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:01,260 that I am protected by the laws of the 2599 01:51:05,570 --> 01:51:03,360 United States of America which the 2600 01:51:08,209 --> 01:51:05,580 military industrial complex also need to 2601 01:51:11,390 --> 01:51:08,219 follow and not ignore 2602 01:51:13,669 --> 01:51:11,400 well okay so 25 years I'm assuming 2603 01:51:16,450 --> 01:51:13,679 you've got you know your retirement 2604 01:51:18,410 --> 01:51:16,460 package and and all of that that's a 2605 01:51:20,209 --> 01:51:18,420 considerate your family and everything 2606 01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:20,219 else and you got to keep the lights on 2607 01:51:24,109 --> 01:51:21,360 sure 2608 01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:24,119 um you don't want that jeopardized do 2609 01:51:28,970 --> 01:51:26,400 you think that that is enough motivation 2610 01:51:32,689 --> 01:51:28,980 for others to go ahead and come forward 2611 01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:32,699 maybe speak uh to to Congress or speak 2612 01:51:37,370 --> 01:51:34,800 on Capitol Hill speak to the Senate yes 2613 01:51:39,530 --> 01:51:37,380 and and and and be very Frank and open 2614 01:51:41,209 --> 01:51:39,540 be very fine yes and in fact I don't 2615 01:51:43,850 --> 01:51:41,219 feel jeopardized at all because CIA does 2616 01:51:45,770 --> 01:51:43,860 not control my retirement salary it's 2617 01:51:47,270 --> 01:51:45,780 it's it goes to the office of personnel 2618 01:51:49,550 --> 01:51:47,280 management which controls the 2619 01:51:52,970 --> 01:51:49,560 retirements of the entire Federal 2620 01:51:56,270 --> 01:51:52,980 Workforce so CIA has nothing to do with 2621 01:51:57,410 --> 01:51:56,280 what I earn as a retiree of the CIA it's 2622 01:51:58,970 --> 01:51:57,420 in the office of personnel management 2623 01:52:01,729 --> 01:51:58,980 and the Social Security Administration 2624 01:52:04,609 --> 01:52:01,739 and I happen to have an IRA with my bank 2625 01:52:07,850 --> 01:52:04,619 so there's my sources of income and I 2626 01:52:09,590 --> 01:52:07,860 have for others uh Kirkpatrick uh if you 2627 01:52:12,410 --> 01:52:09,600 look at the transcript of what he said 2628 01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:12,420 he said there were like 24 people that 2629 01:52:17,629 --> 01:52:14,639 he has spoken to 2630 01:52:19,790 --> 01:52:17,639 that come forward to talk to Errol very 2631 01:52:21,070 --> 01:52:19,800 important statement that he made by the 2632 01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:21,080 way yeah 2633 01:52:25,129 --> 01:52:23,760 not enough attention was paid to that 2634 01:52:28,669 --> 01:52:25,139 yeah 2635 01:52:31,729 --> 01:52:28,679 um did were you one of those 24 no I as 2636 01:52:34,250 --> 01:52:31,739 I stated before I did receive a way to 2637 01:52:35,870 --> 01:52:34,260 contact him directly but I didn't feel 2638 01:52:37,609 --> 01:52:35,880 like I needed to 2639 01:52:40,790 --> 01:52:37,619 um because 2640 01:52:42,770 --> 01:52:40,800 um I felt like you know I don't really 2641 01:52:45,890 --> 01:52:42,780 have any more information that he could 2642 01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:45,900 use that he already has Believe Me Errol 2643 01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:48,719 has a lot of information that came from 2644 01:52:52,609 --> 01:52:50,880 the UAP task force that came from atip 2645 01:52:56,570 --> 01:52:52,619 that came from 2646 01:52:59,570 --> 01:52:56,580 um allsap and other government efforts 2647 01:53:01,550 --> 01:52:59,580 into studying uh this entire subject 2648 01:53:04,250 --> 01:53:01,560 matter so he has that he has a big 2649 01:53:08,330 --> 01:53:04,260 repository and his challenge is trying 2650 01:53:11,209 --> 01:53:08,340 to go through it and resolve all of the 2651 01:53:13,250 --> 01:53:11,219 cases that he has that's this thing you 2652 01:53:14,689 --> 01:53:13,260 know that's why the discussion went 2653 01:53:16,430 --> 01:53:14,699 toward you know do you have enough 2654 01:53:18,649 --> 01:53:16,440 people do you have Staffing what do you 2655 01:53:20,450 --> 01:53:18,659 need do you have cooperation Senator Joe 2656 01:53:22,850 --> 01:53:20,460 Ben says what can I do 2657 01:53:25,550 --> 01:53:22,860 to help your make your job easier what 2658 01:53:27,530 --> 01:53:25,560 laws can I write to make your job easier 2659 01:53:30,830 --> 01:53:27,540 yeah she said I'll write you a letter 2660 01:53:33,169 --> 01:53:30,840 right now yeah yeah you know he has a 2661 01:53:35,209 --> 01:53:33,179 small staff and so that's why he has to 2662 01:53:37,370 --> 01:53:35,219 go back to the major agency he says okay 2663 01:53:40,010 --> 01:53:37,380 this is errol's problem this is your 2664 01:53:42,790 --> 01:53:40,020 problem but you owe us an answer you do 2665 01:53:45,169 --> 01:53:42,800 the work and you give us the answer 2666 01:53:47,450 --> 01:53:45,179 somebody else's problem you know but 2667 01:53:49,609 --> 01:53:47,460 that's what he meant one last question 2668 01:53:53,270 --> 01:53:49,619 but sure I'm saving the best for last 2669 01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:53,280 John all right the the Wilson Davis uh 2670 01:53:58,850 --> 01:53:56,480 memo and documents uh 2671 01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:58,860 I believe that it's an authentic 2672 01:54:03,169 --> 01:54:00,960 document it's notes from a conversation 2673 01:54:05,090 --> 01:54:03,179 so that part of it it's it's an 2674 01:54:07,310 --> 01:54:05,100 authentic it's not a government document 2675 01:54:08,930 --> 01:54:07,320 it doesn't have a document number yeah 2676 01:54:09,910 --> 01:54:08,940 it's not classic there's no one else 2677 01:54:13,970 --> 01:54:09,920 yeah 2678 01:54:17,810 --> 01:54:13,980 sure but do you believe that those that 2679 01:54:21,530 --> 01:54:17,820 the conversation happened between uh 2680 01:54:24,290 --> 01:54:21,540 Thomas Wilson and uh Dr Eric Davis the 2681 01:54:27,229 --> 01:54:24,300 way it was presented in those notes if 2682 01:54:29,810 --> 01:54:27,239 those are Eric Davis's notes uh the man 2683 01:54:31,550 --> 01:54:29,820 is honest to a T he actually applied for 2684 01:54:34,129 --> 01:54:31,560 a job at CIA and I got his application 2685 01:54:36,530 --> 01:54:34,139 papers uh in my office when I was a 2686 01:54:38,450 --> 01:54:36,540 branch chief really um I couldn't I 2687 01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:38,460 could not hire him um because he was 2688 01:54:42,530 --> 01:54:41,040 basically overqualified as a PhD in 2689 01:54:44,330 --> 01:54:42,540 physics I just need a guy with a 2690 01:54:48,590 --> 01:54:44,340 master's degree and I thought he would 2691 01:54:51,290 --> 01:54:48,600 be bored I regret that decision because 2692 01:54:53,330 --> 01:54:51,300 um soon after his application paper came 2693 01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:53,340 and I rejected it 2694 01:54:57,770 --> 01:54:56,639 um I needed to send people to the uh orb 2695 01:54:59,629 --> 01:54:57,780 working group and he would have been 2696 01:55:01,609 --> 01:54:59,639 ideal to send to the war working group 2697 01:55:02,930 --> 01:55:01,619 it would not surprise me that he 2698 01:55:04,790 --> 01:55:02,940 actually was a participant in that 2699 01:55:08,209 --> 01:55:04,800 working group because that followed into 2700 01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:08,219 alsap which he did participate in uh he 2701 01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:11,520 this guy is as honest as you can have I 2702 01:55:16,430 --> 01:55:14,159 mean you the guy has cannot lie I don't 2703 01:55:19,070 --> 01:55:16,440 think very honest person and if he says 2704 01:55:21,229 --> 01:55:19,080 he does not acknowledge that he wrote 2705 01:55:22,609 --> 01:55:21,239 them I don't think but I think he well I 2706 01:55:24,169 --> 01:55:22,619 think there will be information coming 2707 01:55:33,790 --> 01:55:24,179 out that 2708 01:55:37,729 --> 01:55:36,410 let's read it into the record and it's 2709 01:55:39,169 --> 01:55:37,739 part of Congressional Record so at least 2710 01:55:41,209 --> 01:55:39,179 there's that 2711 01:55:42,490 --> 01:55:41,219 um I'm hoping that uh Dr Davis would be 2712 01:55:45,770 --> 01:55:42,500 one of the people that will come forward 2713 01:55:47,870 --> 01:55:45,780 well he I would say that he has to and 2714 01:55:49,870 --> 01:55:47,880 he has to for one uh the quote 2715 01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:49,880 attributed to him in the New York Times 2716 01:55:56,270 --> 01:55:52,800 that he said he briefed the senate about 2717 01:55:57,850 --> 01:55:56,280 us having flying saucers number one but 2718 01:56:01,490 --> 01:55:57,860 number two 2719 01:56:04,910 --> 01:56:01,500 the the the whole document's interesting 2720 01:56:08,629 --> 01:56:04,920 no question but the the one section 2721 01:56:10,850 --> 01:56:08,639 there where he's got uh Admiral rear uh 2722 01:56:13,250 --> 01:56:10,860 Admiral Wilson talking about his 2723 01:56:16,669 --> 01:56:13,260 conversation uh with the private company 2724 01:56:19,010 --> 01:56:16,679 out here we've all kind of deduced that 2725 01:56:21,530 --> 01:56:19,020 it's Skunk Works 2726 01:56:22,330 --> 01:56:21,540 um and that where they said we've got a 2727 01:56:26,450 --> 01:56:22,340 craft 2728 01:56:28,910 --> 01:56:26,460 we we think it can fly but we can't get 2729 01:56:31,550 --> 01:56:28,920 this thing up in the air right yeah I 2730 01:56:33,530 --> 01:56:31,560 know that that right there I think 2731 01:56:35,990 --> 01:56:33,540 there's some testimony that needs to 2732 01:56:39,350 --> 01:56:36,000 take place did that conversation really 2733 01:56:40,970 --> 01:56:39,360 happen with Eric and of course uh 2734 01:56:42,890 --> 01:56:40,980 Admiral Wilson I think should come 2735 01:56:44,750 --> 01:56:42,900 forward too and testify to that as well 2736 01:56:46,370 --> 01:56:44,760 yeah yeah I have some personal thoughts 2737 01:56:48,590 --> 01:56:46,380 about that which I can improve but if 2738 01:56:50,209 --> 01:56:48,600 you want my personal thoughts uh I think 2739 01:56:52,189 --> 01:56:50,219 I do think we have craft that can fly 2740 01:56:54,649 --> 01:56:52,199 but it's not an alien reproduction 2741 01:56:56,390 --> 01:56:54,659 vehicle uh if we have a craft that can't 2742 01:56:58,250 --> 01:56:56,400 fly it's not nothing we would build 2743 01:57:00,169 --> 01:56:58,260 because if we built something it's going 2744 01:57:02,629 --> 01:57:00,179 to fly even if it has plain old jet 2745 01:57:04,010 --> 01:57:02,639 engines in it it should apply sure it 2746 01:57:07,129 --> 01:57:04,020 may have some I mean you know 2747 01:57:08,689 --> 01:57:07,139 hydrodynamic Drive mhd 2748 01:57:11,330 --> 01:57:08,699 um something exotic like that it could 2749 01:57:13,550 --> 01:57:11,340 have scramjets that's another exotic 2750 01:57:15,950 --> 01:57:13,560 propulsion technology uh it may have 2751 01:57:17,570 --> 01:57:15,960 that but it's going to fly but if we 2752 01:57:21,050 --> 01:57:17,580 have something that can't fly that tells 2753 01:57:25,970 --> 01:57:21,060 me reading behind the lines that it's a 2754 01:57:29,089 --> 01:57:25,980 fully formed intact non-crashed vehicle 2755 01:57:31,669 --> 01:57:29,099 that they can't make work 2756 01:57:33,530 --> 01:57:31,679 and so that's where I'll go that's 2757 01:57:36,890 --> 01:57:33,540 interesting it's either at Skunk Works 2758 01:57:39,350 --> 01:57:36,900 or let's not forget Boeing Phantom works 2759 01:57:40,910 --> 01:57:39,360 it's the other partner in crime so 2760 01:57:43,550 --> 01:57:40,920 everybody looks at Skunk Works but it's 2761 01:57:45,770 --> 01:57:43,560 also Phantom works and Norfolk Ramen has 2762 01:57:48,350 --> 01:57:45,780 their own little thing going on as well 2763 01:57:51,649 --> 01:57:48,360 and so those three contractors Northrop 2764 01:57:53,089 --> 01:57:51,659 Grumman Boeing and ask Lockheed Martin 2765 01:57:58,089 --> 01:57:53,099 those are the three Aerospace 2766 01:58:03,709 --> 01:58:01,129 yeah exactly near near Palmdale where 2767 01:58:06,410 --> 01:58:03,719 yeah you're very familiar with that 2768 01:58:08,570 --> 01:58:06,420 place you know yeah when I have guests 2769 01:58:10,609 --> 01:58:08,580 over at the house John yeah 2770 01:58:13,430 --> 01:58:10,619 they don't want to come in and see my 2771 01:58:15,950 --> 01:58:13,440 guitars ah they want to go down the 2772 01:58:17,810 --> 01:58:15,960 street man yeah and and I'll take them 2773 01:58:22,010 --> 01:58:17,820 I'll take them to the front Gates of uh 2774 01:58:25,250 --> 01:58:22,020 Air Force plan 42. and uh they have a 2775 01:58:28,609 --> 01:58:25,260 little Museum right there but uh but the 2776 01:58:31,609 --> 01:58:28,619 gate and what you see there's like three 2777 01:58:34,310 --> 01:58:31,619 lines of fences with it's like a prison 2778 01:58:36,109 --> 01:58:34,320 it's it's crazy yeah you look at that 2779 01:58:39,050 --> 01:58:36,119 and you're just thinking whatever's 2780 01:58:42,229 --> 01:58:39,060 going on over there yeah is Crazy Town 2781 01:58:45,169 --> 01:58:42,239 yeah you don't put this up right you 2782 01:58:49,129 --> 01:58:45,179 know you know to keep the Coyotes out 2783 01:58:51,350 --> 01:58:49,139 right exactly no yeah yeah yeah so hey 2784 01:58:53,510 --> 01:58:51,360 John thank you so much my friend uh 2785 01:58:56,209 --> 01:58:53,520 thank you for uh not only being very 2786 01:58:58,669 --> 01:58:56,219 candid uh but supporting the community 2787 01:59:01,129 --> 01:58:58,679 and and hanging out with us tonight 2788 01:59:03,609 --> 01:59:01,139 great conversation and I certainly look 2789 01:59:05,570 --> 01:59:03,619 forward to our next one 2790 01:59:08,990 --> 01:59:05,580 hopefully you don't get that phone call 2791 01:59:13,609 --> 01:59:09,000 tonight yes big shout out to Mick 2792 01:59:14,870 --> 01:59:13,619 yes oh Mick yeah great guy great guy and 2793 01:59:17,990 --> 01:59:14,880 uh by the way are you going to be a 2794 01:59:20,510 --> 01:59:18,000 contact in the desert I am not I am yeah 2795 01:59:23,149 --> 01:59:20,520 it's this first one that I won't be 2796 01:59:25,910 --> 01:59:23,159 hosting but yeah I've got another event 2797 01:59:28,550 --> 01:59:25,920 on the East Coast that uh was booked 2798 01:59:31,310 --> 01:59:28,560 last year or private thing yeah I was 2799 01:59:33,410 --> 01:59:31,320 gonna get you uh uh uh an authentic CIA 2800 01:59:35,330 --> 01:59:33,420 t-shirt from the employee store and a 2801 01:59:37,310 --> 01:59:35,340 hat well I was gonna bring it with me 2802 01:59:41,030 --> 01:59:37,320 but maybe I can I can arrange to have it 2803 01:59:43,910 --> 01:59:41,040 sit with you we will uh let's talk off 2804 01:59:46,609 --> 01:59:43,920 of the air yeah I'll tell you more okay 2805 01:59:50,030 --> 01:59:46,619 okay John thank you so much my friend be 2806 01:59:53,990 --> 01:59:50,040 safe out there thank you John Ramirez 2807 01:59:57,050 --> 01:59:54,000 that my friends was a perfect night on 2808 01:59:59,570 --> 01:59:57,060 Fade to Black and uh now I want to 2809 02:00:01,490 --> 01:59:59,580 remind everyone John John runs he 2810 02:00:04,310 --> 02:00:01,500 doesn't have any of that social media 2811 02:00:05,870 --> 02:00:04,320 and all that other stuff but if you need 2812 02:00:07,189 --> 02:00:05,880 to get a hold of John or you got 2813 02:00:09,410 --> 02:00:07,199 anything to say you can do that through 2814 02:00:11,750 --> 02:00:09,420 me not a problem 2815 02:00:13,010 --> 02:00:11,760 um and what a great way to kick off this 2816 02:00:16,790 --> 02:00:13,020 week here on Fade to Black tomorrow 2817 02:00:19,570 --> 02:00:16,800 night Richard bleep in Dolan is with us 2818 02:00:22,070 --> 02:00:19,580 I want to thank John Ramirez again 2819 02:00:24,530 --> 02:00:22,080 getting out there and doing what he's 2820 02:00:27,290 --> 02:00:24,540 doing right now for our community it's a 2821 02:00:29,390 --> 02:00:27,300 big part of where we are and how we are 2822 02:00:31,189 --> 02:00:29,400 moving forward thank you so much John 2823 02:00:33,950 --> 02:00:31,199 Fade to Black is produced by Hilton J 2824 02:00:36,070 --> 02:00:33,960 Palm Renee Renee Newman and Michelle 2825 02:00:38,689 --> 02:00:36,080 fried thank you to Dennis and Kevin 2826 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